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Dec 27, 2018

Why Dave Decided to Talk About Ani- Role Models:

Dave, while having his flight delayed wanted to share with his audience the concept of “Anti-Role Models”. There are a lot of people who we know we need to emulate in order to find success, but we can also learn a lot from those who never succeed. One of the best things about this as well, there will always be more people who don’t make it than do. Let’s learn from the mistakes of others and our own mistakes as well. While we’re doing this let’s all remember to never do something that will make us someone else’s “Anti-Role Model”.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(2:32) The First Layer of Role Models

(3:22) Finding Your Person to Chase

(3:58) Chasing those who are a full lap ahead of you

(5:48) The ANTI-ROLEMODEL *Insert thundering background noise here*

Quotable Moments:

(2:37) “When you’re looking at role models, I think the thing most of us take a look at is ‘okay who is at my same playing level’. People by nature are a little bit competitive.”

(3:42) “You start to think ‘Okay if I can see what they’re doing, what are the things they did that got them there that I could use right now to get where they’re at faster.’”

(6:34) “You start making a list of things you’re never going to do.”

Other Tidbits:

When you’re stuck at an airport, record your message

Your role model doesn’t need to be someone who you can beat or even develop the same kind of success as them.

Important Episode Links:

Funnel Hacker Radio - iTunes


Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:     00:17         Hey there Everybody. Welcome back to Funnel Hacker radio. I'm so excited to talk to you today. Uh, I'm actually stuck in the airport in Salt Lake City. I had, it's been a crazy couple of days here. I've been a left Sunday. Flew down to San Francisco or San Diego, or was there in San Diego for warrior con where Russell spoke, flew the next morning to a San Francisco for salesforce. Flew the next morning to Salt Lake City to work on a couple of things for our speaker team and then miss my flight last night. So it got here first thing in the morning trying to get the very first flight out and guess what? My flight's delayed two hours. So I'm like, ah, I just want to go home. I just want to go home. I wish so bad. I was like, Dorothy, I could just click my heels and boom. There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, and I'd be there.

Speaker 2:     00:59         Unfortunately I'm not. So I get this opportunity to talk to you guys and I'm so, so excited. So first of all, if you guys are getting value out of this, please let me know. I've been kind of doing a test right now. I'm trying to test to see people who follow and listen to funnel hacker radio. Do they like more of the interviews of other people do? They're like, uh, my, my podcast or my catching people up on what's going on type of stuff. So I'm looking at downloads and trying to compare the two and seeing what works best. So with that said, if you're liking this, by all means, please go ra te, review, share it, whatever you can do. I did appreciate just getting some feedback from you guys. So with that said, I want to jump into a topic, a David cancel, who is the CEO of drift.

Speaker 2:     01:38         Great Guy. I met at a, on a yacht at TNC last last year and has become a real good friend. Just listen to his podcast and some of the things they're doing over at drift is. It's been fascinating guy. He's been crazy, crazy entrepreneur and one of the things he was talking about, his podcast I thought I wanted to kind of expand on and that's this whole concept of of the importance of mentors and role models. Now understand everybody, if you've been listening to podcasts, you realized the importance of role models and mentors and all that kind of stuff. Because I talk about it all the time. Promoter kind of break this down a little bit more and talk. Talk about three different types of role models or mentors. So when you're looking at role models. You have what are referred to basically as zero, one and then future and then also about reverse and then also that anti role models.

Speaker 2:     02:29         So let me go through this with you. So first of all, when you're looking at role models, I think the thing most of us take a look at first of all is who else is at my same playing level? People by human nature somewhat competitive and they are always comparing themselves to others. So the first thing you take a look at is people are doing the same thing as I am, where am I at versus where they at, and so you kind of look at a role model, who's at your same level and seeing are they doing the same type of things? Am I doing the same type of things, my ahead of them? And so that's the first level we see or a lot of people look as far as a role model where they look left and right to say what's going on and how do I compare with my peers.

Speaker 2:     03:02         The second thing is it's kind of like a race where I used to do a ton of mountain biking and really loved pulling people in. Uh, my wife and boys were all runners done the same thing where you basically see someone out there and you start gaining, gaining speed on them. You start pulling them in. And so what you're going to find is the second role model is someone who's just a little bit further ahead, where you can actually see them, someone who's maybe they're six months ahead of you, maybe they're a year ahead of you, maybe they're whatever measurement of time you're looking at, maybe they've done a few more funnels than you have, or maybe they've got a couple more things going where you at least can see them, you and you're aware of them. And it's one of the things where you start pulling them in where you start saying, okay, if I can see what they're doing, what are the things that got them there that I could use right now that would get me to where they're at faster.

Speaker 2:     03:47         And so that's the, that's. So we talked about the zero. That's the one another plus or those people who are much further out there. Uh, again, if you're taking a look at a race. This is if you were doing a mile race and your around the track, this is the person who's basically a lap ahead of you and you're going, okay, well what in the world did they do? How, how did they get there? And these are people you're not going to be able to pull in, but you can learn from them. Uh, they may be two years ahead of you. They may be whatever quantity of or stick of measurement that you're using. These are people who are out there and you're like, okay, that's where I want to get maybe in two years, maybe in three or five years, whatever it is, but that's what I want.

Speaker 2:     04:23         And so you start looking at them and seeing where, where they're at and what they're doing. The next thing is what we refer to as far as the whole reverse. And this is where you take a look at role models and you start to reverse engineer what they did. So what did they do? How did they get there? So take it again, that person who is two years in front of you, what were the things that they were doing? How did they. So you're not paying attention to exactly what they're doing currently. It's more a matter of what did they do in the past that got them to where they're at. So how do I reverse engineered their success? Again, in our lingo, we had heard that basically it's funnel hacking and so if there a funnel, you funnel hack their funnel, but as far as life goes and you're looking at the things that I've done as an entrepreneur, you're like, okay, what did they do?

Speaker 2:     05:03         How do they learn? What can I learn from them? How can I reverse engineer what they did that I can short sheet, I can decrease the time that it took for them to get there. And this might be where you actually end up hiring a mentor, hire a coach and you go, okay, I know as I take a look at so and so where they're at and you'll find that a lot of them are willing to share and just reach out to him and say, you know, what did you do? How can I have, if you were me right now, our take yourself and go back to your, what would you be doing different or what did you learn over the course of last two years that got you to where you're at? That I could start doing right now that would help help me get to where you're at even faster.

Speaker 2:     05:40         So that's what we referred to as far as the whole reverse role model where you're reverse engineering what, what they've already done to get to where they're at. The next one is we'll refer to as the anti role model where these are the people who basically you will you take a look at it and go, I want to make sure I never ever do that. And these are the people who um David C, on his podcast, was talking about this. And he said, you know what, uh, there's a lot of people who follow Casey Neistat and, and a lot of these influences or want to become video people. And if you're falling, Casey Neistat, uh, some of the things you'll find is him versus others as far as you know, bloggers instead things, a lot of bloggers will say, Gosh, you know, what, you gotta worry about your camera equipment.

Speaker 2:     06:17         You got to worry about this. And Casey Neistat would say, absolutely not. That's the last thing you worry about who cares about that? And so you take a look as far as all the other people who are, who are not where you're at, what are the things that they recommend? What are the things that they're doing that you want to make sure that you do not do? And you start making a list of the things you're never going to do a. again. You've take a look at Casey Neistat, you know, one of the things he was known for, basically, it's basically a video every single day for a year just to get things going. And you know, a lot of people say, well now you gotta make sure the contents better, the quality's there, and if you go down that path where, when you're first getting started in your two concerning, you're too worried about what people are going to think.

Speaker 2:     06:56         You're never going to produce the quantity, quality nor the quantity that's going to take to get you to where you are. And so an anti thing there would be. Stop worrying about, about the quality, the quality of it right now, when you first get started, just get the quantity under your belt. It's experienced. It's the more, the more trial and error that you go through, the faster you're actually gonna learn. Um, I see the same thing happening in, in, in business and funnels and all. I mean, whatever it is in life that you're trying to do, there's gonna be a ton of people who are giving you advice that you take a look at. You're like, Nah, I don't think that's the right advice. So come up with the anti type of stuff that you know you'd never, ever, ever going to do in your business because those will be the things that, that will actually prevent you from getting where you want.

Speaker 2:     07:36         And so if you take a look at basically reverse engineering and mixed the reverse engineering with the anti aspect of it, you actually will get further ahead much, much faster. So just be aware of the things that the people you're looking at where they're at. I guess one thing I have seen people with financial advice, you know, there's a lot of people were trying to give you a ton of financial advice and their broke and you're like, if that advice is that great, why aren't you implementing it in your own life? And so, uh, make sure that when you're looking at at role models and you're taking advice from people that you're taking advice from people who were already further ahead than you, that they're actually doing what they say and not just a, I've heard this might work type of stuff. So hopefully that makes sense. Especially just kind of coming into the the end of the year or you're taking a look at this next year. Make sure that you have mentors, make sure that you have role models around you, make sure that you're aware of what works and what doesn't work, and by all means, just keep pushing forward. Having an amazing day and we'll talk to you guys soon.

Speaker 3:     08:30         Everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate Review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as the people you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 24, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk about the 2mm rule:

We all have 2mm changes that we can make in our own lives. This is a theme you most likely have heard from people like Tony Robbins but Dave wants to engage in a conversation with you about where the 2mm difference occurs in his own life as well as your own. Not only that, he lets us in on how to find these 2mm rooms for improvement.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(0:56) Tony Robbins’ realization of the 2mm rule

(3:12) Dave’s coach correcting his 2mm

(5:49) For Those Who Have Ears to Hear, Let Them Hear

(6:20) Business Scaling

(11:46) Get experts to help you change your 2mm

Quotable Moments:

(2:30) “So often people think it’s gotta be this big, massive change to get the results you want. But in reality, it’s often the little things

(6:12) “I’ve been really guilty of this in the past, just blitzing through these audiobooks at 4 times speed thinking I’m going to get something out of them. Yes I’ll get the general ideas out of them but never allow myself to just be immersed in the topic.”

(8:10) “Too often a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs, when looking at a corporate structure, there focus is on the long-term.”

(13:00) “There’s two things that have been major 2mm changes for me; one is hiring a coach, two is the people you associate with.”

Other Tidbits:

Fun fact, plastic surgeons get paid millions of dollars to change 2mm in someone’s face

What 2mm changes can you make in your business, relationships, and especially your funnels

Important Links:


Speaker 1:       00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward

Speaker 2:       00:17         [inaudible]. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I was thinking about this the other day when I was in the gym. Uh, so I've had the opportunity of working out with this guy called, his name is Eric, and I was introduced to him through Mandy keene and Russell. And it's been fascinating for me is I've been spending time with him and while we were in the gym the other day, he was making some minor corrections as far as for him and he's just been a master at form and it was little tiny, tiny tweaks and I'll, I'll get to that in just a second as far as what the difference was, but it reminded me of, of being at upw, unleash the power within with Tony Robbins. And while I was there, he taught this principle called the two millimeter rule where he was referring to the time when he was out golfing and basically he was super frustrated because the day before he'd just been crushing the ball.

Speaker 2:       01:06         And this day when he's out with his golf instructor, he just sucked. It was nothing was working right. As instructors said, Tony, it's just two millimeters. It's like, what are you talking about? I'm doing the exact same thing as doing yesterday. There's no you're not. It's just two millimeters like what are you talking about? And said, listen, when you put the club down, literally if, if it's off by a margin of a millimeter, either to the right or to the left, even though you think you're hitting straight at the pin, you're going to be in the water. You're going to be in the rough. You're giving the sand trap by just a millimeter one way or the other. Or if if it's a millimeter higher or lower, you're going to basically be driving the ball up in air or you're gonna go straight across and be a grasp burner.

Speaker 2:       01:49         And so it's, it's those little tiny differences and he's like, hi, I don't know if I believe that or not. And then the next day he was actually doing some consulting for one of those amazing plastic surgeons in the world. It gets paid like a million bucks to fly around the world and just do these crazy, crazy surgeries. And he was what he was talking with him. He was sitting there with the waiting room while I was waiting there. He had a new book that he was publishing for all other plastic surgeons and it had as you opened up and had basically all these pictures of just before and after shots of the changes that I've made. And there was these little measurements and basically just as it was all about the little tiny measurements that he made as far as the changes. Because so often people think it's got to be this massive change in your life to get the results that you want.

Speaker 2:       02:37         But really sometimes it's just little tiny changes. Like one of the things he was looking at was the difference between the top of a woman's nose to. I'm sorry, the top of her lip to the bottom of her nose. If that space was the same distance as the size of her, of her eye. She was quote unquote gorgeous. If she was. If it was a millimeter smaller, larger. She was average in two millimeters. It was totally off the charts different. Anyways, the principal was all about the idea as far as little tiny changes in your life make massive, massive differences and changes. So I had this experience yesterday when I was working out with Eric and what I realized is one of the things I love most about working out with him is he is a master at form and I've so often I've gone to the gym where I all I cared about was just doing the same way that my kids did and just because I didn't want to get beat by them.

Speaker 2:       03:29         And in doing that, what happens is you start using different muscles than the actual muscles you're supposed to be using and you then overcompensate and really never strengthen the muscles that you want. So for me, my shoulders have never. I mean, my boys have these like basketballs on their shoulders. I'm like, I don't know how you guys have such huge shoulders and I've never been able to lift like they've lifted and that. So I was talking to eric about it. I'm like, you know, what's the deal here? He goes, Dave, the problem is it's your elbows. I'm like, my elbows. What are you talking about? So we're doing a shoulder press goes. You always have your arms so far back that you're. You're using more of your chest than you are your shoulders and so you're not getting. You're not building up your chest or your building or not building up your shoulders.

Speaker 2:       04:11         And so he literally moved my, I'm not kidding, I think it was probably two millimeters each side and all of a sudden the weight I had dropped because I couldn't support them. Like Eric is sucks. This is terrible. He goes, no, this is exactly what you need. He goes, if you do the exercise right, you'll isolate the muscle and you'll build up all this, the stabilizing muscles that you need to be able to get the weight gains. And the strength gains that you're looking for. And so we literally went through the entire day and he was correcting every single thing it was. Okay. They bring your hands together, lift your chest up a put your elbows in front, bring your abs in. I mean it was just all these little tiny tweaks and changes and I. I was so frustrated and yet at the same time I was so appreciative of my frustration was because I couldn't lift what I was.

Speaker 2:       04:56         I thought I was lifting and so I felt weaker. And yet at the same time I was starting to understand the benefits that he was getting by just making tiny, tiny changes. And by making those tiny changes as a stack over time, I'm all of a sudden feeling stronger and my shoulders. I feel stronger. My chest. I'm feeling that now the stabilizing muscles are coming into play. So I've seen this principles in every aspect of my life and recently I've really been paying attention to it. So one of the things, if you haven't listened to the podcast Russell did just recently on marketing secrets called for those who have ears to hear, let him, for those who have ears to hear, oh gosh, he came for those who have ears to listen and here. And so I've been going through that and I've. It was really funny this morning, Russell sent me this post, a facebook comment from one of the guys will follow and he sent it to me and I'm starting to realize that anytime I get something from him, there's the topical or there's the obvious thing as far as what's there.

Speaker 2:       05:59         But then there's an underlying message and again it goes back to for those who have ears to hear, let them hear. And what I'm starting to realize is so often we see the, in fact I've been really guilty of this in the past where I've gone through a ton of books and I just, you know, blitzing through these audio books said, you know, four times speed or whatever it is, thinking I'm going to get something out of them. And yes, I've gotten general ideas, but I haven't immersed myself in that topic. So as of about a month ago, I really started immersing myself a ton in, in business growth and specifically on scaling. We've had the opportunity to click funnels here where we were going to hit $100 million for this year, literally the next two to three weeks and which is just a huge milestone because there were four years old and that's awesome.

Speaker 2:       06:46         It's amazing, it's great. But I'm looking at this going, okay, if we did that, what more could we do? What are the two millimeter changes that can take us from $100 million this year to 200 million next year? Or what are the little tiny changes that if we do this, we'll get it, we'll reduce our churn or we'll increase our average cart value. I mean, I'm really looking for little tiny things and for me one of those things is immersion. And so right now I'm studying a book by Elad Gil called a high growth handbook. And again, it's all about business scaling. It's, I highly recommend it for anybody who's at a point where they're trying to scale their business. It's a, this is a guy who I've never heard his name at all, but uh, he literally has been like the guy in scaling, a whole bunch of businesses sold as one of his businesses to twitter when he had 10 employees and basically twitter at 90, so it was 10 percent of the, of twitter and then he scaled that business twitter from that to almost 1500 employees and he was a, came into to Google and did the same thing.

Speaker 2:       07:47         And so he's a master at scaling. And so I've been looking to find out what are the little tiny changes. And so for me, one of the things I got out of his book as I was listening to it was we're looking at some at a corporation structure in orchestra structures and a different titles, all that kind of stuff because we've never done that. Hasn't been that important to us in the past. But at this level, that's one of things we're paying attention to for him. He said, you know, too often a lot of entrepreneurs and business owners, when they're looking at a corporate structure, their whole focus is on the longterm. He goes, realize if you're in a high growth business, your corporate structure's going to change within six to 18 months, so don't, don't think you're going to solve all the problems in that period of time and don't hire someone who's really good at scaling businesses who are at at a 100 million when you're only at at 10 million because you got to make sure you hire the right people that fit that niche.

Speaker 2:       08:39         So I've really been focused on what are the two millimeter changes, uh, in my relationship with my wife, one of the things I've realized as time is super important or so, but it's not just time, it's quality time. So I've been really trying to focus on when I'm home, it's not just given her the time, but more importantly, lily turning my phone off or what I'm doing is literally leaving my phone at home when we're going on a date. So I can't even pick up my phone. I can't even, I'm not even tempted to look at. I'm not. I'm not checking these. They're not following up with people to get that quality time. It's those little two millimeter changes and differences. I see the same thing as a lot of people in their businesses and their funnels thinking, oh my gosh, this funnel doesn't work.

Speaker 2:       09:14         I'm going to scrap and start all over from scratch. No, no, no. Realize it's a two millimeter change. It may be a headline. It may just be the offer. It may be part of the stack. It may be the image, it might be the video. It might realize it doesn't. Sometimes it's not a drastic change. It's a two millimeter change and I've seen this a redone even my scriptures the other day and said, you know, by small and simple things are great things brought to pass. I thought, that's so true. It's those small, simple things as they stack over, over and over again. It's the time of those two Miller's Muna changes that they continue to build. I seen the same thing take place as far as the people you associate with and you hang out with by making it a little tiny change either in the way in the actual friend you're associated with or the way in which the conversations go and what you allow to be said and what you correct or change.

Speaker 2:       10:06         Uh, we were looking for a quote for our funnel hacking live t shirts. And, uh, for those of you guys who are coming to fall hacking live, you'll all get this and they'll be on the back of your t shirt. And if you think you can get 30 people in your group to come to funnel hacking live, let us know you go to a funnel hacking forward slash culture and will actually create a custom tee shirt with your logo on it. Co branded with ours. There'll be a ton of fun. But, uh, what you'll see on the back of the shirt is a quote that says, surround yourself with the dreamers and the doers, the believers and the thinkers. But most of all, surround yourself with those who see greatness within you. And again, it's those two millimeter changes. It's the people you hang out with.

Speaker 2:       10:44         It's the books you read, it's the time you go to bed, the time you wake up, what, what you're eating. That little tiny two millimeter changes in your life. That totally changed everything. Uh, too often people are trying to do these drastic changes that they'd never stick because there's such a, there's such a total disconnect from where they're at. They're like, oh my gosh, I can't continue doing it at that point. But the little tiny changes in your life, those are the ones that make all the difference. And again, for me it's been the little tiny changes for me. One has been exercising on a regular basis. I, there was times in the past where I would exercise it, but I didn't have a trainer. And so it was hiring a trainer even though I was putting in the time, it wasn't the right time.

Speaker 2:       11:23         And so I ended up hiring a trainer. I've seen drastic changes. Again, it's, I am, I don't have the Greek God body that Alex from Moz does or something to other guys. I seem totally intimidated by it. A lot of our eight figure award winners. I was joking around about it the other day. Like it seems like everybody's hitting this. So just like these Greek gods and goddesses. I mean, they're just amazing. Anyways, sorry I got sidetracked there. But the idea behind it is for me it was just hiring a trainer and by that one little two millimeter change, it's making a massive difference. I've seen the same thing as far as hiring a coach in my personal life with Jerrick Robbins. By hiring him. It's those two millimeter changes that are making a difference in my wife and my relationship with her by being more present.

Speaker 2:       12:07         Not just spending the time but spending quality time. I'm trying to do the same thing with my kids. Uh, I've seen the same thing as far as in my own spiritual life when I'm looking at it, making sure that I'm reading my scriptures on a daily basis instead of trying to say, well, I'm gonna, make sure I read for half hour. Just say I'm going to do it every single day. Even if it's only for two to five minutes, I wanted the daily thing versus I'll do it all day Sunday for an hour or two and count that for the rest of the week. For me it was the daily changes. It's those two millimeter micro changes that are making a huge difference. I'm seeing the same thing as far as nutrition and let I go through a whole bunch of different things. Realized every single one of us have in our own life.

Speaker 2:       12:40         There are two millimeter differences. When you make those things, they stack over time. You may not see the difference right away, but as you continue to make that two millimeter difference over and over and over again, you'll see a massive, massive impact in your life and for me, I can tell you one of the two areas that are. Two things I've seen that are major two millimeter changes for me. One is hiring a coach and two is the people you associate with and that's one of the things I love about going to live. Events like funnel hacking live. If you're not already going to funnel hacking live, I don't know why you wouldn't be, but go get your tickets to funnel hacking and the shirt the court we have in the shirt I'm so excited about, and again I'll just read to you real quick here. It says, surround yourself with the dreamers and the doers, the believers and the thinkers, but most of all, surround yourself with those who see greatness within you. I hope you know how much we appreciate you and again, I really hope to. I hope to see you guys at funnel hacking live. You can get your and again, just realize it's the two millimeter difference. Find out what are the two millimeter differences in your life that will make the massive differences. Have an awesome day.

Speaker 3:       13:45         Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 20, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk about the Laws Irrevocably in Heaven:

In life there are laws we all must obey by. While the laws of gravity and federal laws are highly recommended to always keep in mind, take a minute to think about the laws that pertain to you specifically. What specific laws pertain to your business or your health? Take some time to contemplate these questions as Dave shares with you his own and stories of both obeying and forgetting such laws.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(0:54) The Laws of the World We Live In

(2:54) The Consequences of Disobeying the “Law of Self-Care”

(6:48) You Need to Play by the “Laws of Business” and the “Laws of Life”

(8:07) Get Your Seat at the Table

Quotable Moments:

(1:48) “Now, understand, just by obeying the “law” doesn’t mean you are guaranteed a seat at the table. It does not guarantee you an immediate blessing, or gratification or anything else”

(6:26) “It’s now gotten to the point where I am so appreciative, so grateful, for my physical body…”

(7:05) “I would just encourage you at this time to kind of find out: What are those Laws? What are the things you have to do? Then, start doing them. Don’t become frustrated when it’s not coming right away.”

Other Tidbits:

Dave learned the hard way about the importance of health after the spinal surgery he needed to get

Spending time to reflect on the rules you have to abide by. How much exercise does YOUR body need?

Important Links:


Speaker 1:       00:00           Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:       00:17           All right, everybody. Welcome back. This is a fun day of recording. A couple of podcasts at back to back. I don't know exactly when he's going to become published or anything else, but I want to talk to you about what are the things I was studying just recently and I see so many. There's so many parallels and connections between things that are spiritual things that are Fizzer, physical and temporal, and so I was reading my scripture the other day and I came across one of my favorite scriptures. It says there is a lot. You're a vocable. He decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world upon which all blessings are predicated and when we obtain any blessing from God, it's by obedience to the laws upon which is predicated, or in other words, understand that there are laws in your life that you literally have to obey the laws to be able to get the blessings associated with that.

Speaker 2:       01:02           Uh, and this applies not spirits thing that applies to physical things. Same. I see the same thing happen in my own life as far as physical. Uh, I would love to be a very, very fast runner, but the reality is, unless I'm willing to go pay the price to train, that is just not going to happen. I see. The same thing happened with, with people as far as their physical bodies. If you're, if you're dealing with a whole bunch of physical maladies and things, many of them can be cured just by physical activity, by water, by. I mean, there's, there are laws, nutrition laws, a lifting laws, cardio laws, all those types of laws that basically once you start obeying those laws, you start getting the benefits or the blessings of those. Now understand that just by obeying the law, it only qualifies you for a seat at the table.

Speaker 2:       01:51           It does not guarantee immediate blessing or Grad gratification or anything else, and I think that's the thing I've always gotten so frustrated with is like, well, I'm. I'm doing what's right in my business here, but I'm not seeing it. I'm not reaping any rewards. I'm not getting the benefit that I thought would happen instantly. I built a phone, I built an optin page. I drove traffic to it, and yet I haven't made a million dollars in my funnel. Understand that is not how this works. The way it works is by starting to do those types of laws and finding out what those laws are and being obedient to him, it qualifies you for a seat at the table. It doesn't mean that it instantly happens. If it instantly happened, everybody would do it. So what happens for us, for me at least I've seen in my own life is I've seen this a lot.

Speaker 2:       02:32           I'm really been focusing on trying to get more involved as far as lifting and starting to build more muscle mass. Uh, and a lot of this really stemmed from a surgery I had at the beginning of this year with my back. I'd never, I'd really focused the last few years on just diving in and doing everything I could to build, build our company, everything else. And I kind of let a lot of my physical body and energy and things kind of fall to the wayside. And I was only working out on occasionally that it wasn't anything consistent. Well, what happened was I ended up creating, or my body somehow started developing calcium deposits inside of my spine that was creating a bone spur that literally was growing into my nervous court, my nerve cord, my spinal cord that literally was preventing me. I was getting dropped, put where my, I couldn't pull my toes up and it got so bad at this time.

Speaker 2:       03:28           It was literally this time last year where I finally went to the doctor said, listen, I got to figure this thing out, and he said, well, you literally. It got so bad that the day I went and saw the surgeon, he said, have you already eaten anything today? And I said, no, I haven't. He goes, if you alright. I said, I had. I'd already had breakfast and stuff. He goes, well man, I wish you hadn't because I literally take you into surgery right now. Says this isn't something that can wait anymore. You have. You literally have postpone and push this off to the point where he was concerned. I had done permanent damage to my spinal cord that I was going to be irreparable and I was not gonna be able to get any of the balance, the coordination back in my foot and I'm like, oh my gosh, is there, how late can this wait and push this off?

Speaker 2:       04:15           I say, God, you know, holidays and Christmas. He goes, you don't understand how serious this is. I'm like, listen, I've gotten a family come in and he goes, Dave, listen to me. What is the first day you can get in here? Well, this was literally the two days before Christmas last year. I said, I've got my family coming in. I literally, the soon as I can get in will be the first. And so January the second of January it goes, all right, January second, you're coming in for surgery. So we went in for surgery and I remember during that holiday period of time, we were with some my family and I was sitting there and uh, we're supposed to go walk through this. The, these beautiful Christmas lights was this garden of Christmas lights and things down at Thanksgiving point in Utah. And I got to the point where I literally couldn't walk and they had to push me in a wheelchair.

Speaker 2:       05:05           And I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I've let myself get to this point. And I remember the emotional pain as well as the physical pain. I was having a thinking, why did I, why didn't I fix this? Why did I push this off so far? And, uh, we ended up right after we had Christmas. We went to a cabin and I literally laid in bed almost the entire time sitting there thinking, why would I? I know better. I know better than this. Why? Because I was so fresh with myself. So we went through the surgery on the second of January and I was amazed that you know how much I was at. The pain was gone, but the nerve did not come back and I remember literally my frustration. Even at funnel hacking live last year and thinking I still don't have control and the balance in my feet and it is.

Speaker 2:       06:01           It's literally taken almost almost a year to where I can balance on one foot and my only reason saying that is I do. Whether it's in your own personal life or in your business to understand that just because I've done all the rehab and everything else, but it's taken over almost a year to get to that point. To where I can now run and it's now at that point to where I am so appreciative. So grateful for just my physical body and being able to get the nerve sensations back in my feet and to be able to run and to exercise and to do these types of things that I. my only reason I mentioned this is understand there are laws in business, there are laws in your life that you have to obey those laws to just qualify for yourself for a seat at the table and again, whether you look at it from a spiritual standpoint, whether you look at it, a physical standpoint, your business, your relationships, there are certain things you just have to do to qualify and I would just encourage you this time to kind of find out what are those laws, what are the things you have to do, and then start doing them.

Speaker 2:       07:10           Don't get frustrated. It's not coming right away. I would have been really easy for me to get super frustrated and there was times over this course this last year where I was, where I'm like, listen, I'm doing everything I can and I still can't move my feet the way I want to move. I still can't feel the sensation at the bottom of my feet. I had this whole neuropathy thing where I wasn't able to feel sensation on my heel or my toes, but as I continued day after day, getting up at 4:30 in the morning, Mondays and Tuesdays and sometimes even on Thursdays to go and work out. I'm starting to get these things back and it's taken on again almost a year. A equality again, the surgery. That was the first thing I had to do to basically qualify myself to get a seat at the table and then it's literally been working out on a regular basis throughout this year that has now started to generate the sensations that I want back in my feet and my legs into being able to run and to enjoy the things which I used to enjoy without even thinking about it.

Speaker 2:       08:05           So get my only reason to say saying this is whether it's in your own personal life, whether it's in your business, understand there are laws that are irrevocably decreed. Meaning it's just there's no other way around it. You have to do those things to just get a seat at the table. It doesn't mean you're guaranteed instant success, but it qualifies you for a seat at the table and as you continue to do time and time and time again, over time it builds up that muscle, the spiritual muscle, the temporal muscle, the physical muscle, the nerve sensation. For me, it's taken that much time and I'm grateful for it and so I just encourage you guys as I'm reflecting over the course of this year, all the things that I've done to get back to where it's almost a starting point. It's not even. It's not like I'm super fast.

Speaker 2:       08:44           It's just I'm back to ground zero where I was about a year ago, and yet I would just encourage you just to understand that there are laws. Find out what the laws are in your business and your relationships spiritually. It might be start doing the things that you know you need to do and stick to it and I promise you over time it always works. So everyone please. Again, I this. I'm trying to learn to become much more vulnerable and sharing these things, and this podcast is a little more difficult than I normally share a. it'd be involved a lot of spiritual things for me. It involved a lot of physical things as well. Let me know if this is resonating, if this connects with you, if there's. If this is making sense and if it's appreciated, if it's. If I'm wasting your time, I want to know that I really, really do so please let me know if this type of a podcast is a value to you and if for some reason it's not letting me know that too.

Speaker 2:       09:34           I really do. I appreciate the time and the energy that you put forth and listening to this and I want to make sure that I'm doing everything I possibly can to provide you the very greatest content of value to you. So again, if you don't mind, send me a personal message on facebook or instagram or send me an email a day to click puddles. Let me know if this is a value to you. Again, I look forward to seeing you guys at funnel hacking live. I really hope that everybody who's listening to this podcast comes up and says hi, and that, uh, you know what? I listened to your podcast and I appreciated. Or you know what, Dave, you really suck. These are terrible podcasts. I actually deleted all the podcasts I didn't want to hear from you again. Whatever it might be, I want to know.

Speaker 2:       10:11           So again, hopefully if you haven't got your ticket to funnel hacking live, by all means go get your tickets at funnel hacking, live Dicom and give me the feedback. I really honestly, genuinely want to know if this is a value to you guys. If it's not, I, I, I need to know that I am going to continue to do interviews of other people who are successful and I'm trying to find out if my learning to share stories better and my, my finding my own voice if it's resonating, if it's helpful for you and if it's connecting. If it's not, I have no problem going back to just doing only a interviews because I enjoy those as well. But again, just let me know if it's a value to you, if it connects, it resonates. Most importantly, I really hope to see you guys to meet you. I love connecting faces to names and I hope to see as many of you as possible at funnel hacking live. So go get your tickets, funnel hacking and have an amazing day.

Speaker 3:       11:03           Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 18, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk about One of the Most Expensive Movie Tickets He’s Ever Had:

Last week Dave had an “interesting” experience as a customer at a movie theatre. The movie started late and then full on stopped working 10 minutes in.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • (1:44) Your “popcorn” costs $0.25 to make, is that worth more than your customer?
  • (8:16) Spending the time and energy on the WHY people cancel
  • (9:05) Your refund policies and attitudes can influence your retention rates

Quotable Moments:

(6:42) “If people understood the customer service impact and why it’s so important then literally instead of just giving out $0.25 of popcorn they would’ve saved hundreds of dollars in refunds and not ruined the customer’s experience.”

(8:26) “I need to understand my customers better. I need to make sure that if a person is leaving, that there it is some reason that we cannot solve. Because there should be no reason for anybody to leave.”

(10:15) “Are you creating more problems for your customers than you are solving?”

(12:04) “If there is a $0.50 popcorn that I can provide to somebody to prevent the loss of a $25 sale, I want to know about i

Other Tidbits:

Dave should start getting an affiliate link for Lulu Lemon with how much he uses their customer service as a teaching lesson.

Personal Message Dave if you have any concerns about Clickfunnels and how we deal with our customers.

Important Links:


Speaker 1:       00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:       00:17         Right? Everybody. Welcome back. This is got to be a fun little podcast because it's a real life experience. I just had recently and I'm, I was listening recently to Russell's podcast. If you haven't listened to it, I highly, highly recommend that you do. And it's called he who has ears to hear. Let him hear. Uh, so if you haven't listened to that, I'll have a link down in the show notes. You can listen to. Definitely recommend you listen to that one for sure. And one of the things about this is I, I find in my own life as I'm out, that everything in life relates to a story, uh, in business in my personal life and I find so many different correlations and I'm, I'm trying to connect the dots quite a bit. So, uh, last night, um, my wife and I went out on date and she wanted to go see the new Harry Potter Greenwald movie for different titles of it.

Speaker 2:       01:07         Uh, but this was what went to this movie and I thought, Oh, it'll be great. It's a fun little date night. Went out to dinner beforehand, had a great, great dinner, go to the show. We get to the show and first of all the show starts like seven minutes late. Not a big deal, but it was like, man, this is what's wrong with the movie. And again, not in, I was with my wife, so I really didn't care, but it was just fun to spend time talking to her. But she knows, she's like, man, these movies are starting later. I don't know what the deal is. And then we sit down and the movie begins to play and we get about, I think the movies like two and a half hours, like two hours, 20 minutes, a long movie. But we get about the hour mark and all of a sudden the movie starts to skip.

Speaker 2:       01:47         It starts to like buffer. And I'm like, I would expect this at my house, but not in a movie theater. And so this movie starts to buffer and it goes on for a couple of minutes. And then I see someone come in, it looks like manager or something and they're sitting there on the front row. I think there are probably sitting there hoping that the movie was going to correct itself. And so they sit there and it gets the point where it literally just stops and you almost see this circle of death spitting going. It's buffering, buffering, buffering. I'm like, I didn't even know that's how movies played today. But anyways, it did. So, uh, the lights come on and the assistant manager basically stands say, Hey, you know what? Hey listen real quick, we're going to get this fixed right away. It'll take us just a few minutes and if you want to, if you've already bought some popcorn, go ahead and go get a refill on the popcorn for us on, on us.

Speaker 2:       02:39         And she goes, it might take more than a couple minutes, might take you know, 10 or 15. And I'm like, Whoa, 10 or 15 minutes, that kind of changes my plan for the night. So I thought, you know what, I'll at least go get some popcorn and see what I can do. So I go out and get some popcorn. I thought, you know, I'm going to just see, see if they. What's the chance that they're actually give me a discount. I didn't buy any popcorn. So her offer was to refill for free. Popcorn had already bought. So I hadn't bought any. And so I said, you know what, listen, I'm in a movie theater 10 year. We're watching the movie. It got stopped. I'd like just a small popcorn. It's like six and a half bucks for this little tiny bag of popcorn. I'm like, AH, who cares? But if that accident, see I'm going to see what happens here.

Speaker 2:       03:19         Said, you know, I don't mind paying for the popcorn, but can I get it even a discount on the popcorn because the movie's not playing good. Well let me go check with my manager. So it comes back from talking to his manager because Ah, if you already bought the popcorn, we would've given your refill. But since you haven't bought the popcorn, no, we can't give it to you. I'm like, so let's make sure I understand this here. This is popcorn literally might cost you twenty five cents for the bag of popcorn and you're saying no and you're going to destroyed. You're going to totally change my customer experience here. And then at the register, right next to me is another lady from the same theater, uh, and she says, Hey, go, can I get some popcorn? It's like, no, you will have to pay for that. She goes, well, can I get a drink and get anything?

Speaker 2:       04:02         It says I'm just, I'm trying to pass the time while you guys are fixing this. Like, no, if, if, if you already bought it, will refill it for free. But if you haven't bought it that no, you have to pay for it. And I'm sitting there going, okay, listen, I think the movie tickets are like 12 bucks. So it's like 25 bucks for the two tickets from my wife and I, you're totally destroying the customer experience of what's going on, where all you had to say was to get up and say, listen, this is gonna be about 10 to 15 minutes, just free the inconvenience. Why don't we go ahead and we'll give free popcorn to everybody in the theater and a free drink and you would have totally satisfied everybody. So I, I said, well, you know, what? Can you go get your manager real quick?

Speaker 2:       04:39         I just want to talk to them. So the manager comes back and she says, Oh, you know what? I'm sorry, I can't, I can't talk to you right now. I've got to get this movie fixed. I said, well, I'm actually in that theater. And she goes, well, you know what? We can't give you a free popcorn. It doesn't work that way if you've already bought it, we refill it. I'm like, fine. So she goes and, and I buy the popcorn. Anyways. I go sit down next to my wife and it's now been like seven, eight, 10 minutes and there's no chance or no sign this movies even get it started and everyone else is getting restless and you hear, you know, people are on their phones, lights are on, people are chatting. And my wife turns to me. He goes, you know, Dave, this is kind of crazy.

Speaker 2:       05:16         We're going to be sitting here and when the movie starts, I've kind of almost lost the connection. And she goes, I can't believe they made you even pay for the popcorn. This makes no sense. Now that you know what, that's right. Um, I'm going to just go ask if I can get a refund on the tickets. So we leave. We go out and get a reef. I basically asked the box office said, hey, listen, I don't need, I've already paid for the popper and I don't care about the popcorn, but we're not going to watch the movie. It's, it's not gonna even doesn't make any sense for us. Can I get a refund on the tickets? Because, um, well, do you have your refund? Do you have your receipt? I'm like, I don't have my receipt. I said, I've got my debit card that I paid for it.

Speaker 2:       05:57         With it goes, well, you really need to have your ticket stubs. I'm like, listen bud, this is not my fault. This is your guys' experience. Um, I'm on a date with my wife. And he goes, well, let me see. So it gets manager comes over and goes, you know, what, find a, I don't even know what's going on in the theater. Um, yeah, go ahead and just get there, give them a refund so we get a refund and I'm walking out and I'm talking to my wife about this and sitting there going, not only did I get a refund, I then saw three people behind me coming up and asking for refunds as well, and she's like, you know, if I don't even know if I want to come back to the theater and watch this movie again because we're halfway through it, just because I'll just wait until it comes out on video and then we'll just watch it at home.

Speaker 2:       06:41         So I'm sitting there going, if people understood the customer service impact and why it's so important, they literally. So instead of giving out fifty cent cost to them for the popcorn, they ended up refunding probably hundreds of dollars of tickets and created terrible experience. So then we, we leave and I'm still in a state with my wife. I'm like, I want to make sure we end this with a positive note. And so one of my favorite things my wife loves is Lulu Lemon. So literally across the theater in the little village here in Boise is the legal limit. So we walk into Lulu Lemon and the experience is totally different. Walk in, we're greeted by people. They're like, oh my gosh, welcome. Are you guys doing Christmas shopping for someone else? Are you shopping for yourself? And I said, you know, actually were just shopping for my wife and said like, well what can we help you with?

Speaker 2:       07:33         And, and she goes, I, unless I know what I want. And so she goes, picks out three or four different things, tries them on there. The customer service at Lululemon is off the charts crazy. I, she wanted a, a down vest. They didn't have the right size, so like you don't. If you'd like I can, we can get it for you. We can have it shipped here. We have shipped to your house, we can do it. Whatever you'd like and the customer experience is totally, totally different and sure enough what happens is we end up spending, I don't know, $140 or 150 bucks and at Lulu Lemon just to get a couple of pieces and the experience a customer services completely different mind. The reason I mention this is I was at the office yesterday and there was a person who had canceled and I'm like, I want to start finding out why do people leave?

Speaker 2:       08:19         Because for me there'd be no reason in the world for anyone to ever leave clickfunnels and if they're, if they're leaving, I want to know why. And so last night I started having the same thought they can. I need to understand our customers better. I need to make sure that if a person's leaving, that there's some reason that, that we literally cannot solve because there's no reason for anybody to leave and I think in your own business and my business as far as for our sales teams and everything else, if we aren't doing what's necessary to provide the very, very best customer service to someone who's already invested in us, there's something wrong with us. It's not the customer's issue. So I get. My only reason I mention this is as you take a look in your own business, once a person has invested money with you, that trust is already.

Speaker 2:       09:03         There is an exchange of trust that's taken place. You have to do everything possible to make sure that that experience is that you deliver not only the experience that they bought, but an experience. It's even greater than that. It's one of the things I love about Lulu Lemon because if you buy a product, in fact, we bought a gift for my daughter in law, Fran. And uh, there was a snag in the leggings and this has been almost a year and she brought them back to while she was here visiting last week. She takes them back to Lulu Lemon. They exchange it and give her a brand new pair with no questions asked. Norstrom works the exact same way. Costco works the exact same way. It doesn't matter if the customer is wrong or not. It's a matter of, of what is the value of that customer. There is such a eight.

Speaker 2:       09:53         Understand even for a movie theater, it's not the $25 ticket for two people to watch a movie. It's the fact that they're going to come back again. They're going to bring their kids, they're going to come back with friends. Now all of a sudden there was other movie theaters that I can go to. Yes, this one's a little bit closer and it's more convenient. But if I have a terrible experience there, I probably will go somewhere else or I may just start buying more movies in at home. Understand what your old customers. You have to realize what is the problem that are you creating more problems for your customers, then you're solving what is the flavor in their mouth that they leave with? For me, it would have been popcorn. Give me a free popcorn. It costs you fifty cents and you would've saved a $25 sale.

Speaker 2:       10:36         Um, so a couple things I'm going to say here real quick. If for some reason at click funnels, we're not providing you the very best customer service or things you feel we need to be doing different, would you please send me a private message? Let me know what that is that we value as a customer more than anything else. Again, we have or 70,000 customers. I know some leave it. I understand. I understand that I can't satisfy everybody, but if there's certain things that we're doing that we need to fix, by all means, I want to know what that is. So pleased. If there's something that you're aware of or that you're hearing about, reach out to me. I want to know. I want to find a way of correcting it, fixing it, and making it happen. Second, in your own business, I would encourage you to do the same thing.

Speaker 2:       11:18         Talk to your customers and now we brought into a hillston validity. Start talking to our customers from a retention standpoint. We soon will be looking at at onboarding, making sure we have that kind of relationship. We're going to be looking at a migration team, helping people migrate from other services over to click funnels, because I want to know what that customer experience is. There's A. There's a trust between you and your customers, between us, between me personally in my, our customers at clickfunnels. I want to know what that is. There's no reason for a person to leave if you're providing what you believe to be the very best product and service, but there's a disconnect. You gotta find out what that is. So again, it's pleased if for some reason we're not delivering, I want to know because I don't want someone. If there's a 57 popcorn that I could provide to someone that's gonna, prevent someone from leaving from a $25 sale, I want to know what that is a.

Speaker 2:       12:11         again, it's I love looking at life and comparing my life lessons to business and everything else. Hopefully you find value in this. Again, reach out to me. Let me know if this is, if these types of podcasts are valuable to you and if they're not telling me that too. I don't want to. I value your time. You're taking time to listen to this and it's the only thing I cannot give back to you as your time, so please let me know if this is a value to you, let me know. If it's not, please let me know that as well. Have an amazing day and again, thank you for taking the time to listen.

Speaker 3:       12:41         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or that you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview. I'm more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 13, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to about Protecting Your Achilles Heel:
Dave has a fascination with Greek mythology and their stories, after all creating and telling stories is his job. Today he wants to help you see just how the story of Achilles’ Heel applies to your life and the concept of your ONE THING.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(3:07) We all have an Achilles Heel in life, these can have a negative impact on our business and our performance

(5:39) Don’t let your Achilles Heel derail your business or your life

Quotable Moments:

(2:19) “What is the one thing that stops me? What is that one thing that when everything is going great and I don’t protect this one area, life is going to change.”

(2:27) “For me, I can tell you that my one ‘Achilles Heel’ is my relationship with my wife”

(3:18) “I encourage you guys to first identify what your Achilles Heel is. Then once you found it, find out how you can protect it.”

Other Tidbits:

After 25 years of marriage, Dave is still a rookie at the whole thing.

Your relationships can fuel and derail you while at work and both can be controlled and managed.

Important Links:


Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward. Hey everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. No, I'm

Speaker 2:     00:19         super excited. Kind of talked about this. A story today. This is one of the things I love Greek mythology. I'm always been impressed just by the, the characters and the battle between the gods and the mortals and mortal man and an and mortal men trying to explain things. And so I've, I've always been really impressed in Greek mythology is one of things I just have always loved, but one of the stories at is probably the most popular stories throughout the entire time here is that of, of Achilles Achilles. Uh, his mom, his name was thetis and she was immortal. He's, she was married to a mortal who is king of the [inaudible]. And what happened was she wanted to be a protect her son and make him as vulnerable as possible so that he wouldn't be hurt. So thetis takes her son Achilles and grabs him by the heel and dips him into the river styx, and by dipping them into the river styx, he becomes Louis am almost immortal.

Speaker 2:     01:16         But to the point where he's completely in, there was nothing that could hurt him except for the little tiny spot where her finger and her thumb held him by his Achilles tendon or his heel as she dipped him into the river styx. That's the only cake in his armor. It's the only weakness that he has. And so again, he's involved in the Trojan war, becomes one of the major players in the war and kills hector right outside the gates of the city of Troy. And it's just really the most one of the most important players in in that whole battle. But all of a sudden the gods get angry with him and a person ends up shooting his Arrow and the Arrow is literally directed by the gods into his Achilles tendon, into his heel and kills Achilles. And it just destroys the army and everyone else because they thought this guy was completely, literally immortal, almost unstoppable.

Speaker 2:     02:12         And I've thought so much about that in my own life as far as what am I, what's my own Achilles heel? What is the thing that stops me? What is the one thing that when everything else is going great, I know if I don't protect this one area, I'm going to get life's going to change. So for me, I can tell you my Achilles heel is the relationship with my wife. There's nothing else that matters in life. Aside from my love for my wife. And the reason it's so interesting to me is literally life can be amazing. Every will be going perfect in every single part of my life, except if there's something not going well at home. It literally destroys everything else. I stopped publishing. I stopped being able to to tell stories with impact. I stopped being able to communicate the level I want because subconsciously I just know there's something I've got to fix their.

Speaker 2:     03:02         It's of the reason I mentioned this to you is every single one of us have our own Achilles heel. For some it's a relationship with someone that means the tons of them. Others, it might be their business, might be your Achilles heel, it might be your physical body, it might be whatever it is, and so I'd encourage you to kind of find out first and foremost, what is your Achilles heel and then once you've found it, how do you protect it? So for me, one of the things I've realized is the best way for me to protect my Achilles heel with my relationship with my wife is to make sure that I'm spending quality time with her. And again, if you understand the five love languages, the number one level language, my wife is time and it's not time, it's quality time. I've made the mistake many times of being there physically, but my mind is at other places and that doesn't count.

Speaker 2:     03:50         And so one of the things I'm realizing again, just celebrated 25 years of marriage and it's. I'm a real slow learner here. I guess I think I'm realizing and understanding is the importance of protecting that part in my life. And the reason I mentioned this is a we. So we just went through the Thanksgiving holidays and I didn't realize how stressful they were for her. This is the first time we've actually have had a, all of our family or our, our, our kids, everything else. And then her parents come to our place for the last 25 years we've always gone to her parents' place or to one of her siblings for Thanksgiving. We've never had it at our house. So I didn't think I thought this can be a great experience and everything will be awesome. But what I realized was I wasn't as involved, I wasn't as helpful.

Speaker 2:     04:38         I wasn't aware of the things that she needed. And so all the sudden I started seeing and feeling things disconnecting between she and I, which was impacting me and my businesses impacted me and my emotions and impacted me in so many other areas. I'm like, what is going wrong? Everything is going fantastic in my life. We have all this family come in. And what I realized was I was disconnecting with her. And so today we actually have. I planned, our kids are gone for the weekend. Uh, they all went down to Utah to spend time with her brothers and so I thought, oh my gosh, it's just gonna be this great romantic weekend. Just the two of us had planned this trip. We're going to go up to mccall and just get away. And what I realized was what was most important to her wasn't the trip or it wasn't, it was dave, listen, I literally just want to stay home.

Speaker 2:     05:21         I just want to be together. I just want to be able to focus on no one else, but just the stuff that I haven't been able to do. And so we, she literally is downstairs. I'm upstairs in our theater recording this. She's downstairs just literally having quality time just for herself. And so my only reason I mention this is as you take a look in your own business, there are things that you have to understand. There are principles that if you mess up, it literally will derail you. And for me, I know over the last week or so, I haven't been as effective in any part of my life because subconsciously I knew I wasn't protecting her. I wasn't doing the things that she needed and that is my Achilles heel, so just understand in your own business and your own life, you, everybody has an Achilles heel and you have to find out what that is and once you find out what it is, you didn't have to everything possible to protect it.

Speaker 2:     06:13         For me, I know before we moved here to boise two years ago, one of the things I used to travel a ton and one of the things we used to always do was I would make sure I'm on a quarterly basis that we would get away and it was easier when we lived in San Diego because we literally could go get away and we can go to la. We go to a place in San Diego. We go just a one night getaway and not that it's impossible here, but it's a little more difficult. And so that's why I'm starting to try to find things that. What are the things that strengthened my marriage? What are the things that strengthen my relationship with the most important person in my life? And so I'm really trying to try to pay more again, I keep kicking myself going like, Dave, you're into this thing 25 years, you should have figured this thing out yet.

Speaker 2:     06:55         I haven't. Uh, it was fun. I was sitting there talking to my son who is, this is his first year of marriage. So it's kind of a, it was like a 25 year gap between he and I on this and has had the opportunity to talk and just about marriage and relationships. And as a man, one of the things that I, I always want to do is I just, I want to solve problems. I get paid to solve problems in my personal life and my business life. It's, I'm a problem solver. And so I get very, very focused on solving problems. And so some of the things I've realized with my princess is she doesn't want me to solve those problems. What's she really wants is me just to listen, just to be present, just to just do nothing. She doesn't want her to problem solve.

Speaker 2:     07:33         She just wants to have someone who feels her pain and relates. And so there's a video I'll have a haven't posted down and a link below in the note in the show notes and if you wanted you to go to youtube and I think it's called a, it's the nail in your head and it's basically a conversation between a man and a woman and she starts off and she sits there and complaints. She goes, oh my gosh, I have this like throbbing pain. It's in my head. And it's like, it's like right between my eyes and I feel like every time I've even put on a sweater, I feel like it rips, it snags, tears and it's. I just can't explain to you how painful this is and it he's looking at her, staring at her going, I'm a sweetheart. It's because you have a nail in your head.

Speaker 2:     08:18         And she gets all frustrated. She was, why are you always, why won't you just listen? Why don't you just understand? Why don't you feel? And I'm going, I totally understand this guy. It's like literally, if I can just reach out and pull this nail out of your head, it will be all gone. That's not what she wants, what she wants us so much as to care for it to listen and I'm I'm trying to do with that better. My. The reason I mentioned this to you guys is understand in business, in life, everyone was having an Achilles heel and I just highly recommend that to take the time, especially during the holidays here, figuring out what that Achilles heel is and do everything you can to protect it. I'm, I'm going to try to do even more and over the course of this next year to make sure I protect the Achilles heel of my life, which is the relationship with my wife, which is the most important thing. So again, just realize we all have an Achilles heel. Find out what yours is and protect it.

Speaker 3:     09:04         Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate Review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as at the pub like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 11, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to James Smiley:

James reached out to Dave recently and asked if he could do this second podcast with him because of all the things he’s had the opportunity he’s been accomplishing. The best part about it all is that most of what he wants to talk about is the little things everybody easily forgets that makes the biggest difference. Networking happens to be one of those things. James has found he does better than most people because of the QUALITY of the relationships he builds through something he’s always focused on: contribution.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(2:48) The systems for high leverage

(4:10) “Contribute” from James Smiley’s perspective

(6:30) The Highest Leverage Move comes from using other people with contribution in mind

(10:54) James Funnel Hacked his way onto Russell’s radar. Who’s radar do you want to find yourself on?

(12:44) Your webpage should highlight exactly what your dream client is looking for, get those stats on there.

(15:02) Selling Kevin Harrington when he only gives you 11 minutes

(16:20) Network to Network

(19:00) Who’s the gatekeeper to your networking

(21:38) Network with those you know you are able to contribute to

(24:54) Understand how the person you want to meet with thinks

(28:00) The Long-Term Play

Quotable Moments:

(2:22) “What I’ve noticed through life, whether it’s through working with sales, working with sales teams, or helping solopreneurs is there’s a way to create leverage, extremely high leverage,  and it’s a system.”

(6:54) “So you can see, if you don’t start thinking about the word ‘contribute’ but you start thinking about using other people’s platform or money, the whole system doesn’t work.”

(13:24) “There’s a lot of little things like that which I started doing. And you know you never really know if anybody is seeing it, but chances are if you’re doing the right thing they’re going to take a peak at you.”

(16:10) “‘I’ve seen your videos and I like it’, those little phrases show me that my little personal branding and marketing out there synergized with him. So it allowed the conversation to move forward because he had more trust with me.”

(20:57) “You have to be on point, like when they look at your stuff would they think ‘James is one of us’?”

(22:48) “Networking to network is incredibly huge, especially if you figure out how do I honestly contribute”

(30:07) “If you contribute to people in the right way, the relationships and all the things that happen, you can take over your Dream 100 in a way that you never thought possible.”

Other Tidbits:

A quote from our dear James Smiley, “IF YOU’RE NOT USING CLICKFUNNELS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?”

If your main goal is to make money off of somebody and not improve their lives, business, relationships, health, etc. then they’re going to find out. Once they find out, they’ll find somebody else sooner or later.

Tony Robbins, Russell Brunson, James Smiley, and all these other people have 24 hours in their day just like the rest of us. What they’ve done differently though is they’ve found out how to leverage their time to “hockey stick” up.

Get the numbers to make yourself “one of us”.

You must contribute sincerely for any form of networking to have a lasting effect.

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Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker

Speaker 2:     00:18       radio. This is going to be a ride of your life guys, because I have the opportunity having the one and only Mr James Smiley back on the show. James, welcome to the show again. Woo. What's up? I am so excited. So for those of you guys don't may not know James Out. We did a podcast a while back and I want to make sure you understand this is a guy who's been around for a long time in this whole digital marketing space. He's done over $210 million dollars in digital marketing. I actually in his early twenties, actually I IPO to SAS company, which is super, super cool. Something I have yet to do and has worked with three of the fortune 10 companies. This guy basically knows what he's talking about and he approached me and said, you know, Dave, we did this awesome podcast awhile back, but I've done all these cool things recently and I want to talk about some of the stuff way back when that everyone's already forgotten about and I thought, I love all the deep dark secrets of things that people have forgotten about. So with all that said, James, take us away and let's just see where this is going to go today.

Speaker 3:     01:10       Awesome man. Well, I appreciate you. Appreciate Click funnels. If you're not using click funnels, what are you doing? So, um, we ever since it came out, we've moved everything there and it's just been awesome. Appreciate you, appreciate the community and all you guys and gals out there and everything that's going on in the funnel hacker world. So, um, but yeah, you know, one of the things that I've been sharing with our coaching students, you know, we've been super fortunate or blessed or everyone to call it to. We brought on a hundred and three students since me and you last talked, I think it was an August of last year, around the 2017, um, and we do a 15,000 and $5,000. We did a hundred and three students and one of the biggest things that people have been wanting to know and, and it is like how do I get, how do I, how do.

Speaker 3:     02:01       Because like, like in business, you know, you, like you have people who have like regular acceleration, right? They just like if you were to graph it, they have a gradual growth or maybe it's like staggered up and down lows and highs. But then there's like those hockey stick moments, right? Where like somebody goes from where they're at and the hockey stick way up and then they plateau and then the hockey stick again. And so what I've noticed through life, whether it was sells, uh, working my own sales teams, running, running with a big company or helping solo preneurs is um, there's a way to create high leverage, like, like extremely high leverage. Um, and it's a system that I really, to be totally honest, I learned it from chat from Chet Holmes who started the dream 100 stuff. And this was a system that he, uh, talked about in, in a VIP session that I was at a, um, I was at a thing with Tony Robbins in chat. I want to say it was like 2013 or 2004. And um, and I learned this, but he's like, this is so, so good that I don't publish this because people can really take it the wrong way. And so, uh, so I wanted to share,

Speaker 2:     03:13       have to understand, we talked a lot about dream 100 and even just don't understand the depth of dream 100. It's so much more than just creating a list and send them out a package. So much deeper than that. And Russell spent a whole bunch of time at our traffic secrets course that we did in October down in Phoenix and just blew everyone's mind. And that's why when you were talking to me about this whole idea of, of it being used for good as well as for evil, it truly, truly is and can be. So with that caveat, I want to make sure you guys understand when we're talking about this, we assume that you guys are gonna use this for good and that you're not going to turn this around and uh, destroy people's lives with it. But with that, I really want to kind of dive in. Jane's really kind of go into this whole idea as far as contributing. I know that was one thing that we were talking about. What exactly does that really, really mean from your eyes?

Speaker 3:     04:00       So this was back in a chalkboard day. There wasn't whiteboards. And so, um, uh, Chad had wrote the word contribute. He said everything I'm going to now for the next hours, if you don't understand this word, you're going to screw up everything I'm going to tell you because people are going to realize at some point you're taking advantage of them. And when they realize that everything you just did is going to come crashing down on me and then the rebuild, that reputation could take you years, you know, or you may never be able to recover from that. And so, um, so he really, he sat us down and he said, I want you to think about, do you actually have the best intentions for the other person before you do anything before you contact them for you, follow any of this stuff if you don't, if your main goal is to make money, he goes, I promise you this is not gonna work.

Speaker 3:     04:52       And it may work on one person, but he goes, eventually it's gonna catch up with you. And when somebody realizes you're taking advantage of them, it's over. And so he really, Harper was work contribute. And that's where this whole system starts with what I teach our coaching students. I'm glad to share this with everyone out there that like what I'm about to share with you, if you don't have that, that, that mindset of like, I want to do this to help someone else more than helping me. Right? Like if, if I can't find that gratitude, like even in this, you know, like, like I reached out to you, um, and I'm using the same process I'm going to share, you're going to see like I'm using the same process, but in my heart I'm like, if I can't, if I don't have complete gratitude, like in me just being able to network with Dave, help his community, how, you know, like if I can't contribute into your world from a pure perspective than everything that I'm doing is going to come crashing down, you know.

Speaker 3:     05:52       And so, um, so that's really where this whole starts out is, you know, really focusing on contributing to people. Okay. So that's kind of, there's really a five step system. Um, and so I can just run through those real quick. Is that the awesome? Yeah. Okay. So number one is contributed. So you got to think about like how you come up with your dream 100 lists, all the standard stuff that Russell talks about in his book and all that stuff. Like, like come up with your dream list. Okay. Then then you think, okay, like how do I carve out a few of these people in like, like the most strategic ones, the ones that I can get the highest leverage move. And so I'm just a side note. A lot of people say, well, what is the highest leverage move means basically highest levers. Move means how do you, how do you use other people's stuff?

Speaker 3:     06:33       So I called P. A lot of people are opm, other people's money, opt other people's time. But you've got to think more but more. Okay. You can use other people's data, you can use other people's relationships, you can use other people's platforms, you can use other people's intellectual property. You like infinite, right? Um, and so, so, so you can see how like if you don't start thinking about the word contribute, but then you start thinking, how do I use other people's platform or how to use other people's money. Like the whole system becomes warped, right? It becomes about me, about, you know, um, and, and I'm not actually adding value into the community. And so, um, so like, like the, the way that I've seen people get real hockey stick growth, whether it was a company, a sells startup, whatever is they figure out how do I create the highest leverage move with my time or, or with, uh, with, with, with my investment or with whatever, with whatever the asset is.

Speaker 3:     07:36       And so I'm like, if I were to go out today, uh, like you, you and I both know, like, like, uh, me, you, Russell, Gary Vaynerchuk, Tony Robbins, we all have the same amount of time. We all have the same amount of, of like no one had 35 hours today. Everyone had the same, you know, 10, 12, 15 hours to work. Like we all had the same amount of time. The only thing is some people figured out how to create more leverage with their time. Right? And to me that is like the true essence of d, 100. It's like how do you create more leverage with your time? And so typically it's using other people's whatever, right? Other people's time, money, network, email list, facebook page, podcast, a coaching group, whatever. And uh, and then in return, like, you know, like, like you're helping them, they're helping you.

Speaker 3:     08:27       Okay. So number one contributed to the number two thing that chat started showing us and I've summarized it up into this is okay. So like if I carve out like 10 people that I want to talk to that I really need to network with. Okay. So like, let me just be totally honest here. Okay. I could say Russel, I could say, um, there's some people on Shark tank that I wanted to get ahold of. There's some people, you know, there's, there's some key individuals, right? So, okay. So the first thing I need to do is actually write out like how can I actually contribute into Russell's world? I literally did this a couple years ago. I was like, okay, like what could I do to be different? Like, how can I contribute to him versus like, you know, every time I see him, like, hey man, I got this thing, I got this idea, you know, and you know what man, like if we just partnered up, I give you 50 slash 50 men, you know, and I'm like, come on now like how many people are or be one of those people who's like, you know what, me and my product is so good.

Speaker 3:     09:22       Russell. Like if I just got sales I would be good. It's like you just like, I can't, you know what I mean? Like you can't believe it is. I literally got an email from a guy who's actually has a lot of fame, uh, people would know him and you'll be at funnel hacking live and everything else. And it was interesting because he's like, listen, before I fire up to funnel hacking, live on a fly over to meet with, with Russell and just kind of go through a couple of things with the real fast. I'm like, why? And what is the value? Russ is going to get out of this besides, you are going to come to the office. I mean, it was just interested in like, oh, you know what, it doesn't work that way. Yeah. And so, okay, so contributing number one. Number two is I need to figure out how to summarize data that my d 100 is going to, uh, it'd be impressed by.

Speaker 3:     10:13       Okay. So this, this one really shocked me because I was like, why is this so important? Okay. So like one thing that, one of the things I've learned around Internet psychology through the years is numbers tend to mean more than just words. Okay? So it's a reason why people will say like, we've reached x amount of people, right? Instead of saying, uh, you know, like even Louie's started here, it's like, hey, you can say, Hey James Smiley's a good digital marketer or a great digital marketer, but when you say numbers, he's done this amount of sales. He's done this, he's done. You know what I mean? It, it registers in people's mind fast. Okay? So if I'm going to really drive a highest leverage move d, 100 strategy, I need to think about how do I move numbers to the forefront of my marketing so that when I'm going to, she's Russell for an example, when Russell, if he eventually ever looked at my site or sees my webpage or sees my facebook page that he will see a number that means something to him or he'll go, oh, like, like chet used to say, you want them to, you want them to start saying he's one of us.

Speaker 3:     11:16       Like, so I love that analogy because I think that's really super critical. It's, I were just talking about our to calm a couple of word winters. We have 411 two Comma Club award winners right now. And so it's nice because it again, it groups you into that. Now you're there. One of us. I love that announced. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, so like, so like I started a by the way. So Larson told me to, to talk about this more because I told him how I, how I got to know you guys. And Russell, and he was like, dude, this is one of the smartest 100 strategies ever. He's like, you gotta talk about this more. So, um, so, uh, so because I told him how is using data that I thought Russell would like. So like I'd listen to those podcasts, I'd watched all this stuff and I'm like, okay, he's saying like he wants, this is way back when he's like, I want to be the fastest growing SAS company.

Speaker 3:     12:11       So then I started using like language, like, uh, I was a part of iop on one of the fastest growing sas companies in Silicon Valley. Like specifically saying that I feel like if I knew Todd Russell, like somebody saw it, they'd be like, oh, he's one of us like in subliminally. Right? Um, and so, uh, but, uh, but for, for other people that might mean like, like, like in the btby world, like somebody may not be interested in how much revenue you make, they may be interested in how many distributors you have or, or maybe they're more interested how many customers you have or something like that. So like, I try to encourage people, like on your website, have data that summarizes something that you, that your dream client is going to go, wow, this. I'm impressed by this. So I heard Tony Rob Russell say once on his podcast, he said, Tony Robin, he has spoken to 10,000 B, two b sales reps.

Speaker 3:     13:03       okay? Somewhere. He said that on a podcast and he was impressed by it. Well, I knew because a corporate recruiter had told me this, I had spoken to 12,000 B, two b sales rep. I was like, yes, I'm going to put this on the front of my homepage if Russell ever received that. James is one of us, you know what I mean? And so, um, there was a lot of like little things like that that I started doing and um, and then so and I didn't know, like you never know, like if somebody really seeing it or not, but, but chances are if you're doing the right things, sooner or later they're going to take a peek at you. Right? And, and if these are the little things that make somebody start calling, oh, maybe, maybe he's like us, you know? Um, okay. So the third thing,

Speaker 2:     13:44       I'm going to step back on that because I think that helping people understand that they're one of us is such a huge, a huge thing in networking, um, because you'll talk to people talk about, well there's a level b level c level type of relationships. And uh, again, you were talking about Steve Larsen and his whole big thing is, you know, you can reach one level up as I've heard him referred that a million times and I think it's important that as you get to know what your, what your group or your level is, what does that one level above you, what's that one level below you? And whether it's, again, whether you mentioned as far as revenue or, or contacts or whatever the number is, but realize that everybody has some number. I guess these days, a lot of people, as far as we're dealing with a lot of influencers and their numbers are you. How many youtube followers? Yeah. How many instagram, facebook, whatever. That may be, and those numbers basically say, okay, you're one of us and I think this, oh, critical that, and I appreciate James that you mentioned. It's not just revenue, it's not just these numbers can be anything, but the key here is numbers, numbers or something. People very quickly can just, it's a scale and they say, okay, that's, I'm in that same area. I'm in that you're, you're one of us or you're better me or one lower than me,

Speaker 3:     14:52       whatever it might be. They at least know where they fit. And I think that's the big thing with a lot of marketing is people want to know where do I fit in this ecommerce or this whole cosmos here. Yeah. I recently struck a big partnership with Kevin Harrington from Shark tank and I won't talk about the whole details, but one of the things I will say is I knew the specific type of numbers he wanted to see and so I move those to the forefront of my marketing, of my, of my personal branding. And um, so I got on a call with him one day and he's never talked to me before and he goes, James, I've heard a lot about you. And he goes, ah, he goes, but I, I hate to tell you this, I got to cut this call short. He goes, I have 11 minutes, pitch me, go.

Speaker 3:     15:35       I was like 15, I have 11. Exactly. He's like, yes, you have 11. Go in. And I was like, okay. So long story short, in 11 minutes I struck a big deal with them in the other people on the phone were like, we never seen nothing like that. Even even, um, uh, Kevin's brother Brian or his son Brian was like, okay, I seen all the pits people pitching. I've never seen minutes. And um, but the reason is because I had him preframe through all this stuff. I'm telling you, like I had preframe because of the data. And he said little phrases. He's like, I've seen some of your stuff. I've seen some of your videos. And I like it. Like those little phrases tell me that my little personal branding and marketing out there, it's synergizing with him and that's how I got on the phone with them.

Speaker 3:     16:20       And so it allowed the conversation to move forward because he had, he had a little bit more trust with me because he was kept thinking. I think James is kind of like one of us, you know? Um, okay. And then. So number three is, I'm a check called this something else, can't remember, but I call it network with the network. Okay. So like when I wanted to become friends with Russell, I'm like, man, this is gonna be like, hard to get to know Russel, right? So, um, I was like, okay, like this is a total chet holmes strategy. I'm like, okay, who are all the people around Russell? And remember this is like two or three years ago, okay, who I guarantee you I could get ahold of them. And then so I was listening to the podcast and he's like, Oh yeah, I'm hiring this kid named Steve.

Speaker 3:     17:04       I'm like, I bet you I can get ahold of that kid. I'm not kidding you. That's the first thing I thought. I'm like, I guarantee you, I get a hold of that kid. Like he's a Newbie, you know what I mean? So, and then I started looking up and I'm like, this is no joke. I'm like, oh, there's, there's this dave guy. Oh, this is Dave Woodward Guy. There's this guy named todd. There's, um, then I, and then I realized there's John Parks. Um, and then like back then he was talking about certain inner circle people. So he had mentioned I'm a funnel that some guy named Henry had done for him and I had no, he didn't even mention Henry's name, so I like, googled, looked on his friend list, like figuring out who the hell is this Henry Guy because he just talked about Henry Henry must be a friend.

Speaker 3:     17:47       And so like what I did was I started figuring out how do I contribute to sincerely until all these people's lives. So, I'm not kidding you like this a little bit embarrassing, but it totally like I had you Larson had all you guys on my list and I was like, okay, how do I like sincerely, like, like add into these people's lives. Okay. And then, um, so when I first told, I told, I told this at the, uh, at a mastermind I was with Steve and I said it from stage one. I said this, Steve Goes, that happened, that really happened. Let me tell you what happened. So I told. So the whole idea here, okay, is that someday, maybe you guys will all be talking to Russell in. Somebody will be like, well we should try to get into btby and then someone will be like, why? I notice James Smiley Guy, but I don't know, like nobody really knows him. And then somebody else in the circle would be like, James James Smiley. Like the guy, you know that guy. Oh yeah, he's totally cool. And then somebody else would be like, James Smiley. And this also like the idea is that like everyone kind of knows james and Russell's like, who the heck is named Smiley God? Why do I not know James Smiley?

Speaker 2:     18:58       Seriously? Oh my gosh. I can tell you that networking with a network is probably the most understated issue. And people just don't understand how important that is. I've seen that so often in my gosh, in my own business over the years I've noticed that that has been a huge, huge opportunity for me. A kind of also goes back as far as making sure you understand who the gatekeepers are, that you network with the gatekeepers and that's your, you're nice to the gatekeepers. And it's, it's so funny because uh, I mean literally Russell's my officer like four feet apart. I mean I stepped through the glass and it's, it'll be funny where he'll get the same package I will get and I know exactly what people are like, well, if I can't get to Russ, I'll get to dave first and then I'll use dave to get to Russell. And I like, I know the game, but I think it's cool that people are playing the game because I think that's how it's so critical. More people who know you, who have a point of reference in a frame of reference for you, the easier it is to have those types of conversations when, when again, the name comes up, it's not like it's going to come up all the time, but when it does, you want there to be a positive relationship with that, with your name or whoever else that might be.

Speaker 3:     20:04       Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so I, uh, uh, I, I said that from stage one time [inaudible] Larson stopped. Everything goes to, he goes, that literally happened one time. He's like, we were talking about like a new version of the website or something like that. And he's like, that literally happened. He's like, two or three of us knew who you were. And Russell said, who's James? I don't know. Yeah. And, and, and, and so I didn't say any of this, but we all know, like people like Russell use the internet, use their phone like with somewhere within the next 24 hours, the next hour, I guarantee you, he looked up to see who the heck is James. Sure. So, so like every one of the listeners to understand like, this is why having your stuff on point in having data summary, because I mean you don't have like an hour for this guy to look at your stuff and you might have in seconds.

Speaker 3:     20:55       So you gotta be on point and so you gotta think like, okay, like what is this person? If they were to look at my stuff for 20 seconds, would they go, James is one of us, you know? And so, um, the, so the, and the whole thing around network when the network is like understanding that first word contribute. So it's like how do I actually add value to Steve? How do I add value to John? And so like, I'm like, I didn't know John at all. But um, so there's two little hacks that I've learned over the years or we're doing this over 10 years with network, with a network. One is finding somebody who is, um, I don't know if it's right to say, but finding someone who's younger is easier to network with in finding someone who's an up and comer is definitely easier like it because not only that, you can contribute into those people's world really, really fast.

Speaker 3:     21:45       Like you can tell them stuff, help them, give them encouragement. Um, you know, like, like I've sent, I won't say who, but there's multiple people on that list. I've sent them big deals, I've sent them, you know, I signed a deal and I broke or the services out to them. I like message. I'm like, Hey, um, you know, I got this deal in a, all you need is this, this and this, and I can wire you $8,000 right now. Like what? Like, who is James Smiley? Like I don't even know who this person is, right? But, but now, like I built longterm relationships with those people, um, in like, uh, in, like when you really do that, right? It's almost like this becomes flawless because you become friends with the people who your dream 100 person is friends with, you know what I mean? And um, and so, and it's a really cool thing because you don't have to push your way in, you don't have to try to, you know, insert yourself.

Speaker 3:     22:37       Like it just happens kind of organically, you know. Um, and so, so anyway, um, so yeah, so networking with the network is, is, is unbelievably huge, especially if you can figure out like, how do I honestly contribute. Okay. Um, one like 32nd story I'll tell you about something I did with John Mckay was I bought 'em fill your funnel a number of years ago. Okay. And um, you know, like I thought that was a lot until, you know, like, like it was like 30, 3,500 bucks or something like that. And it was like, it was awesome. Right. And so, like here I am in this group and I wasn't going to be totally honest. Okay. I wasn't 100 percent sure how I was going to use that content. But one, okay, there's a couple of things I realized. Number one, John was in there, it was messaging in the group a lot.

Speaker 3:     23:25       And so like every time John would say something, I would back them up, you know what I mean? Like, like, uh, and so I was, I kind of became friends with them in there, you know, and then I would post like a testimonial or two of like something cool that I did based on something he said. And so I think just over time, like I don't, I don't, I don't think like me and John are like, know we don't really talk a lot, but I will tell you like the few times we do talk it's like he, I think he's like, he's Kinda cool. Like James is like one of us, you know. And um, and so, but I first met him in this group. So I want to say something like, I bought my way in to a relationship with somebody like that because I figured if I bought my way into this, the people that are in there managing this are probably going to be people who Russell knows.

Speaker 3:     24:12       You see what I'm saying? Oh, I totally agree. Like whereas some people they just go into it with the, you know, they don't think about those kinds of. Yeah, you know what I mean? They don't think like, not only that, like you're in a group of couple of hundred people who are, you just spent like $3,000 on something. Like you're in a group of cash buyers. Like why would you complain of 80? Like there's, you can build friendships, relationships, all those kind of things. But um, but anyway, but that's, that's like my, the first time I really interacted with John, I just saw, I was like, how do I contribute? How do I contribute? How do I make this fun? How to make this engaging for him. Okay. And then the fourth one is, this was a little bit psychological, but it's like the most ideal thing is if you can understand how the person thinks, because one thing I did not know is I did not know or even think Russell was an introvert.

Speaker 3:     25:05       Never thought that. And um, and so I'm glad. Like I would listen to him and go, man, like this dude's an introvert. Okay. So like if I ever meet him, the last thing I want to do is come up to him like, oh my God. You know what I mean? Like in, in the few times I've seen I'd been around him and seeing people approach him. I'm just sitting there laughing, going, I have no idea. Like they're well meaning good people, but they have no idea. Like, you know, I was at the Mellon texts event, I think, and Russell's crushed it there. And uh, and then he was out in the hallway I think, and there was like 20 people around him in a circle. And so I walked by that day I walked by, um, and uh, and so I'll just Kinda, just for time I'll, I'll put four and five are kind of similar.

Speaker 3:     26:00       So a four is like, you want to start mirroring the person. This is a lot of Tony Robbins stuff like marrying the person. So like, um, so one of the things that I did at that event was a, I noticed that you guys would always have a camera person and a lot of times it's you or somebody like holding the b roll camera, right? The vlogging camera will like, I'm message John Before that event. And I said, hey dude, I'm, what camera are you guys using? And he said, I don't know man, let me check it out. Because we were friends. He was like, dude, let me check it out. So he came back and told me the camera you're using so that I told my camera girl, I'm like, hey, they're using this camera, go buy it. And then she was like, Hey, I can get one that's just slightly better.

Speaker 3:     26:43       I'm like, that'll be even better. Like the upgraded version that will be better. And then, uh, so we bought the same tripod. It's the same camera. And guess who, the only two people at this event were who had camera people, you and me. And so I did that. So because I knew that I would be in the vicinity of Russell and I wanted to try to get his attention in a non, like, you know what I mean? I wanted to try to get an intention and so I was like talking to Caleb and people like that. And I remember seeing Russell in the corner of his eye look over at us and he's like, I guarantee you he's probably going, who's the other dude with the camera? With a camera person following them around. Like, who the hell does this guy like, I don't know, maybe he knew, maybe he didn't.

Speaker 3:     27:29       But um, uh, but I distinctly remember him, like continuing to look over and we would connect a little bit. And then, um, uh, so when he was out in the hallway, uh, I, I saw him and I told him, I camera goes, I was a communications committee. And I was like, Hey, so, so we walked out and uh, and so I'm walking out, my camera person is following me and there's literally 20 people around, Russell and I can just tell he's like, I mean everybody, I'm sure it was like super nice and cool, but he was just drained. He was just like, dude, get me out of here somebody. And so I walked by him and he kind of looks at me out of the corner of his eye and uh, and he just kinda like opened his shoulder just I think he just wanted to see, like if I was going to say it, say what's up or whatever.

Speaker 3:     28:14       And uh, and of course, like I'm looking at him, so I reach over and lean in really, really softly. We shake hands in, right when we shake hands, that whole group went dead silent. Oh sure. Everybody was like, what the heck is this guy? Right? Like, Russell just stopped the conversation to have shake somebody's hand. And uh, and I remember shaking his hand in and I said, hey man, I said very soft and comp because I understand his personality. And I'm trying to like mayor his personality or how he thinks and so I was like, hey man, I appreciate you letting Steve Come to my event. He crushed it on stage. Thank you so much for, for letting him do that and I just appreciate you. Basically I just told the guy, thank you, that's all I did, you know, and I just remember him looking at me and he was just like, he just said thank you James.

Speaker 3:     29:06       And he's like, thank you for doing that. And it was just like really cool like bonding moment and um, and so, so it was just, it was, it was the coolest thing because like all that work had built up to a, to a handshake, you know what I mean? There's so much value in that and I think so often people are in this game for the short term and it's like, what can you do for me? What can you do for me? What can you, for me? And like that's not how this game works. This is a long longterm play. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that a ton. Jane's. Yeah. And so I guess I'll, I'll kinda wrap it in this way and saying that, um, you know, you guys featured how you, how we were using click funnels and be to be on the home page for a while.

Speaker 3:     29:50       I will tell you of 103 students, we had a majority of them, the original, because we survey, a majority of them had said, well, we saw you on the clickfunnels site. We looked you up. So I just want this whole conversation and coming full circle if you contribute to people in the right way, like the relationships and all the things that happen, like you can win over your dream 100 in a way that you never thought possible just by contributing into their world it just by adding value into the world. And so anyway, um, so yeah man, I'm super grateful and thankful for you guys. I mean just to, uh, to share a number like our practice, that coaching practice that's $766,000 and, and, and, and I'll say like all that happened because we, we, we focus on contributing. I love that, you know, so I appreciate you guys man so much.

Speaker 3:     30:48       Well James, thank you. And I appreciate you being so kind to contribute to our audience and our community as well. So any other parting words? Um, appreciate you guys, man. Appreciate your audience and everything. I'm a Jane Smiley Dot Tom is the homepage and all that stuff. If you guys want to check out anything but uh, whoever, whoever it is that you, uh, your dream client is, you know, if you got that person, I would just say this to any of your followers. If you have that person or those people at that company and it like it, it's like it doesn't leave you, it doesn't leave your mind. You're like, I got to meet that person. I got to. If I could just get that relationship. To me that's, that's like the confirmation in your heart that you're supposed to build that relationship, right? Like the fact that like, I'm not thinking about that person. I guarantee you no one else is like you. You are the person who was supposed to build that relationship. The fact that it doesn't leave the fact that you wake up, you go to bed, you in meetings, you're daydreaming about that person or that relationship like that is the person that you're supposed to meet and work with and if you focus on contributing, you can get there. Oh, I love it. Well James, thanks again, James Check them out. Thanks James. We'll talk soon. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4:     32:03       Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 6, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk about Events:

Dave goes to a lot of events. Learn what value events can have for you and your business

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(2:10) When you go to events, go ALL IN

(4:48) Jump at the opportunities for learning

(6:48) The contacts you can make at events are “off the charts wild”

(9:00) Give effort and value when you’re at an event

(11:00) There’s an essential component to pushing yourself out of your original comfort zone when you go to events

(13:10) Getting to events any way you can

(15:28) There is nothing that has changed Dave’s life than events, so what are you waiting for? Get to one and let it change you

Quotable Moments:

(1:40) “What I want to talk to you about is the importance of getting out to events even when you think you can’t afford it. This is one of the things that changed my entire business, it changed my entire life

(4:24) “I remember I walked into that room and I literally felt different. All of a sudden I got filled with hope, I was like “You know what? If these guys could do it, maybe I could to”

(6:30) “If you do it right and you’re providing value to these people, my gosh they’re more than willing to help. It is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.”

(10:10) “You’ve gotta make sure that when you’re actually at these events that you literally get so far out of your comfort zone. Not by being obnoxious, but by giving value to as many people as you possibly can.”

(15:40) I understand, I know what it’s like when your entire world is falling apart and you’re like, ‘I’m so excited at this event but I’ve got to call home and deal with the stuff that’s there.’ I know. I’ve been there and I know what it’s like”

Other Tidbits:

When Dave was starting out, he would volunteer at events simply to just be in the same room as some of people who were far more successful in his field.

Dave unknowingly met Russell for the first time at Dave’s first Affiliate Marketing event he went to.

How did you first meet Russell Brunson? Dave pushed people out of his way just so he could pick his brain at a lunch

DO NOT do business cards at events

Going to events can honestly make you become a better person, as much as David hates saying corny lines he is still a firm believer in it

Dave understands being broke and scraping pennies to get to an event

Important Links:


Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:     00:17       Wow. There's so much craziness going on right now. I don't even know where to start. So first of all, welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm super, super excited to talk about this topic. It's one of the things I'm I'm extremely passionate about only because literally has changed my life. So I want to dive right into this. Kind of tell you if you first, if you haven't seen episode 100, three of funnel hacker TV, you've got to go to youtube. You got checked that one out because that's all about dreamforce at our event there and Russell has some amazing takeaways. I want to talk to you guys right now about this crazy, crazy concept of events and what works, what doesn't work, why they are so successful and the importance of you getting out to them on a regular basis. So I'll just. I'm looking at my calendar last week.

Speaker 2:     00:58       Basically, I used two weeks ago, we're in dream force and was most mind blowing thing. I'll talk about that in just a second. Uh, this weekend I'm actually here, but miles and the team just flew down to be with Russell at, uh, uh, as Russell's got a brand new presentation he's presenting at that flip, hacking live, following that done next weekend, 20, 26. We actually do have traffic secrets. Uh, again, I'll talk about this whole content thing just a second. After that. The following weekend is genius network all by launch con followed by a, a event as far as the national entrepreneur of the year event. So what I want to talk to you guys about is the importance of getting out to events even when you feel like you can't afford it. This is by far one of the things that literally changed my entire business, changed my entire life.

Speaker 2:     01:48       And so first of all, for those people say you can't afford to go. One of the things I've been there, I know exactly what that's like. And so I actually volunteered at a couple of events to do nothing else. I just wanted to be in the room, I just wanted to be there to hear, to feel the energy of the event. Now, if you guys haven't already signed up and bought a ticket for a funnel hacking live, you got to go there first, so called funnel hacking and now I want to talk to you guys about events and why life changes at events. There's a ton of different reasons. Some of the main ones I've seen for myself is as an entrepreneur, it's extremely lonely. It's you miss out on the comradery that you get in an office environment or just by being around people and whether you're introvert or extrovert doesn't matter.

Speaker 2:     02:36       You still need to have people in your life and the crazy thing for me is adding an event. The energy there, no matter what, whether you find yourself shy entrepreneur or extrovert, introvert doesn't matter. You will. It is contagious. When you're at an event, you literally feel the energy there and because of that you have to get out two beds on a regular basis. Now regular for you maybe once a year, maybe once a quarter, don't care what it is, but it's got to be at least annually and the whole thing for me as far as when you go to an event is to suck it all in. Literally immerse yourself, try to be in the front, try to feel the energy, try to literally get it lilly in into you. I'm a huge believer in going all out whenever you go to something like that. I see so many people who are really, really timid, realized at events.

Speaker 2:     03:26       I remember my very, very first event. I'm very fractious. Kind of a weird story. I actually met Russell and my very, very first event I ever went to. My first event I ever went to was one that Russell put on a and I was just trying to figure out the whole affiliate marketing thing and I was kinda confused, kind of lost as far as could this really work. I don't know if it'd be worth it and I couldn't afford to travel and 14 there was an event I didn't even know it was Russell's event. There was an event that was coming to southern California and in fact, you know what I'm going to go and literally script my script together, pennies, whatever it took to afford the ticket just to get in. And I remember thinking, Gosh, I would love to have been able to stay there at the hotel with everybody.

Speaker 2:     04:13       I couldn't afford that. So I drove back and forth every night. Um, but I remember I got to that event and it was a small event. There's probably a hundred hundred 50 people there. And I remember the very first thing that happened was I walked in that room and I literally felt different. All of a sudden I got filled with hope. I got filled with this idea that, you know, what, if these guys could do it, maybe I could too. And at the time life wasn't going and exactly where I wanted to. And I thought, man, I don't know how I'm going to pull this off. So I sat in there and very, within the first, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes, uh, is actually. And Stu mcclaren got up and Russell said, you know what, if any of you guys want to take any of us out to dinner or lunch, you can go and just kind of pick our brand.

Speaker 2:     05:00       You can just go to the bathroom and sign up. I jumped out of my seat. I could not. I think I either flu or I knocked everybody else out on the way to there. But I literally signed up for every single lunch and dinner that Russell had. I thought I've got to get to know this guy. I've got this guy, the guy, the guru, the guy who's up there on stage figuring this out. I want to know. And I literally signed up for every lunch and dinner he had. And I think, Gosh sees this is probably 12 years ago. It might've been 26, 27 at the time. And I thought, I don't care. I don't care what this guy has got, something that I don't have and I want it. And I signed up for every single lunch and dinner he had. And at that point is really well how it started for, from my relationship with Russell and since then we became lifelong friends.

Speaker 2:     05:45       He's like a brother to me and it's just been an amazing, amazing, passionate, exciting relationship. But it all started at an event and it started by my literally getting outside of my comfort zone. I didn't have any of them. Might even afford to pay for his lunch. I was like, I don't care. I don't care what it's gonna take. I'm gonna do it anyways. And I remember just the opportunity of being there and feeling that energy and getting to know people, uh, you will find out an event. People open up and are so much more willing to talk gurus and everyone else then you would ever normally be because they're there, they're captive, they are not going anywhere. And again, if you do it right and you're not, if you do it, we'll talk later about how to do it right. But if, just realize if you do it right and you're providing value to these people, my gosh, they're more than willing to help.

Speaker 2:     06:40       It's the craziest thing I've ever seen, so you got to get to an event for the energy. Second thing you've got to get to an event for is the contacts. The contacts at events are off the charts wild and it's where it. This isn't one of those things where it becomes a business card exchange. I'm a huge believer that you will never see me hand out a business card. I don't have business cards. I've always personally believe that if a person wants my contact information and I'm in providing a value to them that they're going to want it. We're going to exchange phone numbers and or emails or something and it's actually going to go into their phone and into my phone. I'm also a huge. That's why so many people take pictures and stuff of other people that they're with is to get that, get that information there.

Speaker 2:     07:22       One tip, when you're ever had an event and you're gonna, meet a ton of people. If you want to remember that person, have them actually take a take a picture of that person. Having them hold up their name badge so you don't forget their name. Um, it's one of the tips I learned and when we're doing a ton of real estate events and it worked extremely well. The other thing though about events that I, I just love is the hope and what I mean by that is you look, you will leave. If you go all in at any event and you give your all, you literally, it's becomes this hope muscle that gets refueled and you start to think and believe and act as if you were already doing it because you've been there and you're experiencing it. It's a totally different experience than if you were actually to watch it live stream or anything like that.

Speaker 2:     08:11       Physical events are off the charts, the number one best place to network. They're the best place to get into. Neat to absorb content. Turn your phones off, turn, turn off. Literally shut your life down and go all in when you're at the event. Last year, Ryan, when Montgomery and I were actually at dreamforce and we came back, we were all excited telling our other businesses. The other part is good for us all about it and I'm like, that's really cool. I can't believe hundred 70. And then we said, listen, okay, don't take our word for it right now. Let's sign up and get you guys there next year. And so, uh, todd and Russell came out with this, this, this last year, just let a couple of weeks ago totally, totally changed their opinion of where we're going as far as click funnels and how big the events can get and how you can connect with people.

Speaker 2:     08:58       Um, realize that the whole idea about events is getting involved, getting, becoming a piece of that event, uh, helping other people out, literally given, given, given, given, given, give, don't. The more you will give out an event, you will just, you will see the reciprocity. It just stacks up and it comes. It doesn't come actually at the event. You'll find it comes much later, but it will come. Oh my gosh, I wish I could go on for hours about this. Uh, there's so many crazy events. I can tell you. I literally, one of the things I remember at dreamforce dreamforce is off the charts. One of the craziest events I've been to only because it's 172,000 people, they literally shut the entire city of San Francisco down. I mean restaurants were open for free food if you had a vip pass, and I mean it was just the craziest thing.

Speaker 2:     09:45       I mean literally billboards, cabs, buildings, everything had dreamforest everywhere, all around it. The cool thing was the actual Armenians had changed and what I mean by that is they literally, when you walked into an event, the event room, it was like you were walking into Cabela's in one area where it was all about the trail head and the trailblazers in and it literally looked like a forest and I expected to see a whole bunch of trophies on the wall, but it was fascinating. The crazy thing is they had music playing and the lights and the setting and everything else literally made you feel as if you were out in the woods where the keynote was. Every one of the columns in this convention center had lights shining on it as if they were trees and you could see the branches and the bark and I mean it was just the walls.

Speaker 2:     10:34       All we're all draped and lights were on. You literally felt like you were a forest and I'm obviously they've got a billion dollar company to put it on a huge event for 170,000 people. They went all out, but the amazing thing for me was to see how how involved people got while they were at that event because they were connected to it. They, they. They became a part of it and all about community. Everybody was a trailblazer. Everyone of the sponsors were. There were signs in and the artwork was all aligned with trail based, their artwork. It was just fascinating to see how they've pulled all this together. The other thing I can tell you is you've got to make sure that when you're out at the events that you literally get so far out of your comfort zone and not by being obnoxious, the but given value to as many people as you possibly can.

Speaker 2:     11:24       You'll find that as you get out to these events and did you spend time at these events, you will become a better person. I know that sounds weird. I know it sounds crazy, but you do because you're helping other people and you'll find that you're at a different level in there and there's people who are above you and people who are below you in experience and and yet as you're asking for others and they're providing value bombs to you, you're doing the same thing to the other people. I can tell you that I am such a huge believer in attending events because of the networking that takes place, the content that you get, the emotional connection that you have to your dreams where you now are able to see it and experience your future. It might only be weakened, but you literally can experience your future and it's kind of like future cast and we talked a lot about that from marketing standpoint.

Speaker 2:     12:11       When you're talking with anybody of your that you're selling to is helping them future cast what buying your products are going to do for them. When you're at an event, your future casting your life, we're all of a sudden you're like, I'm going to be on that stage one day. I'm actually gonna be on that stage. I can tell you we had. I'm knocking live last year, a couple of the people who literally sit in the audience with the very first time, that amazing years and because of what they did during that year, they actually wore on stage that next year. I think Rachel Peterson was one of them and it was just so cool to see Alison Prince. I think she was in the same situation. Just realize that you go to an event and your life will change. It will completely completely change, so whatever you've got to do to get to an event, you got to do it.

Speaker 2:     12:55       So if it's saving money right now, you start setting aside money right now to start saving. If it's going on a partnerings shared a room and whatever, it's, I don't care what it takes. A Steven Larsen of a dear friend of mine, I love his funnel hacking live story. I'm hopefully going to get it to sell it on a video we're going to share later. But uh, where he literally couldn't afford it to get to funnel hacking live. And the only way he was able to get there was by building funnels for other people. So he literally built funnels in exchange for money or for a ticket to get to funnel hacking live. He got his actual ticket from funnel hacking live for, I think it was two years ago, two or two or three years ago, maybe three for three years ago this year, three years ago.

Speaker 2:     13:40       He literally built funnels to buy his ticket. He built funnels for someone else to actually get money for his airline. He built funnels for someone to actually get money for hotel. And the crazy thing is, as you hear his story and he can tell it only knew how steven can and I was just so I remember when we were out there this last year back in San in San Diego and how surreal it was for him because now he's one of our two comma club x coaches and at the time he literally couldn't afford a cab. And so what he was doing it, you've seen it in San Diego, was a little bikes that you can rent a. they're basically all over the place with the scooters. But literally we would rent the bike and pedal from a cheaper hotel to the event hotel. And then he didn't have enough money for the last night.

Speaker 2:     14:27       And so he literally just stayed up all night long in the hotel lobby of the event hotel building funnels and doing it. So real is I don't care what it takes. And I, I can tell you story after story after story. Every one of us has a story like that where we really didn't know how we're gonna make it and how we were going to get there. But where there's a will, there's a way, and you gotta find a way and you've got to get to funnel hacking live. It's man, it's gonna. Be Nashville this year. It's by far one of my. It is my favorite event in the entire year. I'm not only because it's our event because of the lives that get changed at funnel hacking live. So go to [inaudible] dot com. Get your tickets. Most importantly, make sure that you've, you're starting to schedule right now.

Speaker 2:     15:08       What events are you going to be at next year? What events are going to be October? Is there anything you can get to between now and the end of the year? A funnel hacking live is the 20th to 23rd of February in Nashville. You want to make sure you're there and when you're there, give you go all in, man. Just being, they're absorbing. Get excited about it. Uh, get involved in the community. Realize that there's nothing that has changed my life more than events. And I would encourage you guys, do whatever it takes to get to events. And when you're there, shut the rest of the world down. I, I understand, I know what it's like when your home life is falling apart and you're like, I got to. I don't know, I'm so excited this event, but I got to call home and I got to deal with the staff that's there.

Speaker 2:     15:52       I get that had been there. I know what. That's like the same time. I know what it's like when you're there and you absorb and you take a piece of it and you take that piece and that piece changes your life and it changed your family's life and changed your family's family's lives and change your friends' lives and all of a sudden you make new friends. Whatever it takes, you've got to find a way and I just encourage you, get to an event it dreamforce. As exciting as it was for me, it was even more exciting for me to see what it was like for Russell and todd to experience it. This is my second year there and again it's. I cannot even begin to explain what dreamforce is like. It's one of those events you literally have to experience where there's 170,000 people in a city, I mean shuts down the entire city.

Speaker 2:     16:33       Um, but at the same time, I look at seeing where we can go from here as far as, as funnel hacking live. I don't know who'd be a hundred 70,000, but all of a sudden what matters most to me is that we're providing massive value to you. That is my commitment to you. If you're funnel hacking live, I promise you, you will leave changed for the better and you will. You literally are just one funnel away. So do whatever it takes. Get to funnel hacking live. Can't wait to see you. Um, I'm always excited and appreciate. If, if I'm providing value to you on this podcast, let me know. Hit me up on Instagram, hit me up on facebook, send me an email, a rate review like this, these podcasts. Most importantly, this is about you and I want to make sure that I'm providing value to you guys. And more importantly, I want to make sure that you're implementing, taking action on what we're talking about. So have an amazing day. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3:     17:23       Hi everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if the people you'd like me to interview more than happy to to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dec 4, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk about “Real Life Funnels”:

Over the weekend Dave did something he normally doesn’t enjoy: shopping. He saw many things regarding customer servicing and marketing, as well as customer retention. He wants to share his thoughts on the aspect of using your funnels on your sites and in real life the way you should be this holiday season.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

(1:06) Making Christmas shopping interesting for the “Grinch of Shopping”

(4:40) Remember that your Retail Funnels work the same online as they do offline

(6:20) There is an importance to the service you give for your customers

(8:39) The value you give to your customer correlates to the value added to your business

Quotable Moments:

(0:48) “There’s nothing wrong with polarizing people and realizing “I only serve X and that this product is only good for X group”

(2:12) “I was so glad to get out of there, I was just so lost and didn’t know who they were trying to talk to. Are you trying to talk to my sons, are you talking to my wife, are you talking to me. It was just the most bizarre experience I’d had in a clothing store.”

(4:20) “Too often in business we try to appeal to everybody and it just ends up confusing everybody. And we all know that a confused buyer just says ‘no’.”

(8:16) “You have to apply amazing customer service at all times. And, if you run out of product, you say ‘WE’RE OUT’ and that creates more urgency. It creates more scarcity and make me want to come back to you.”

Other Tidbits:

Dave regrets never buying stock in LuLu Lemon after all the money and time he’s helped contribute to them, don’t worry it’s for his wife.

Don’t you dare short Dave on his beans and lettuce at Chipotle

Your customers will appreciate that you know who you’re talking to and selling to

Dave’s kids have developed a marketer mindset

Important Links:


Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward. Welcome back everybody. I want to kind of share.

I had recently, rarely do I actually spend a whole bunch of time shopping. It's not one of the things I enjoy going into stores. I do a lot of shopping online, but I had these really cool experiences while I was shopping and retail shops over the weekend. And I just want to share them with you. So one of the things I always talk to people a lot whenever we're, we're looking at funnels is the importance of making sure that you know who your customer is and realizing you cannot be everything to everybody. And there's nothing wrong with polarizing people and realizing I only serve x and this product is only fit for this, this group. Uh, so Saturday I spent in my, uh, my database with my wife going around and trying to get some Christmas shopping done early. Uh, something I've never done in my life, but uh, let's try to spend some time with ours and we decided to do that.

So even before Thanksgiving, I'm so proud of myself, but we went into this one store and so she's asked me not to name the store just in case I offend anybody but for. So for her credit, I will not name the actual store, but we went into the store and it was a clothing store and we walked into the store and it was crazy because the pictures of people on the wall, we're literally anybody and everybody and the staff was dressed totally different. It wasn't like they were wearing their brands clothes. It was, it was just, I was sitting there going, I'm totally confused. Who is this store for it? It can't be for everybody. Is it for men, for women? Is it for certain? It was just, it was crazy. I literally just, I got in there and I just felt like, oh my gosh, I feel weird.

I feel dirty, I feel wrong. I feel like I don't know where I'm at. I feel lost. And so we were shopping for something for one of her friends and we caught it and I was so glad to get out of there. It was just like, ugh. I just feel lost. I don't know who you're talking to. Are you talking to my sons? Are you talking to my wife or are you talking to me? Or are you talking to. It was just the most bizarre experience I've ever had in a clothing store. And literally within minutes we walked into Lulu lemon where I know exactly who that audience is. That's my wife and I mean it was like that. I walk in and it was totally for her and it was one of those things I have, I've joked around about. I have been donating to the Lulu lemon cause for so many years now.

I should've actually owned stock in the company I should have, but I never bought stock in there. Anyway. The crazy thing is when you go into a little lemon, you know exactly who the stores for now. They started doing some things on a men's line. It's not that large, but Eric, the guy had been working out with, he was giving me, I've noticed these joggers and and patsy out on it. I said, so tell me what do you, what brand you recommend? What do you use it? And he just started laughing. I'm like, what's wrong? He goes, you're going to be so embarrassed when I tell you. I'm like, just tell me they're not Lulu Lemon. And he just started laughing. He's, Yep. They are like, why? He goes, because he goes, I know it's primarily a female store, but until you feel the fabric Dave and until you actually try them on and until you actually experience it, you can't, you can't give me any crap about it.

And he goes, listen, I've got super thick thighs and I always rub out the crotch and these ones have. And so he starts selling me on Lulu Lemon as far as there was a larger panel through the Crotch area and they're guaranteed if they, if they fray or anything else. He goes, I've actually taken a back. I got a brand new pair, goes to have the best customer service in the world and so I was in there and my wife was like, so are you finding and try some on. So I tried some on and I, I, I just couldn't do it. But again, I, I've always associated Lula limit with my wife. That is her brand. It is. I mean she's got an outlet. She's got a whole bunch of other different brands, but when it comes to Lulu Lemon, I know when I walk in that store, I know exactly who it is.

It is totally polarizing. It's exactly for female women, certain body shapes, everything else and that's just, it's so clear and I thought, you know what? Too often in business we try to, we try to appeal to everybody and all you do is you confuse the buyer. And a confused buyer always says no. So I would highly recommend as you take a look at retail funnels, they work the same online as they do offline and that is you've got to make sure that you are polarizing, that you said this is who it's for and this is who it's not for. So that was the first lesson I had in my retail funnel. The next thing was. So we went to go grab a bite to eat for lunch and I've always loved to pull it. I don't know why it's just, it's it, it just tastes good.

I always get a bowl, it's white black steak. I know exactly what to order. And so we go in there and my wife got her salad and stuff and I started looking and I'm like, what do you guys do? Eat? I mean usually they're large portions, everything else. And I feel like we were on rations. I'm like, what is going on? And they're like, well we're, we're kind of running low on, on beans and on lettuce. I'm like, how can you be running low on beans and lettuce? That is your primary. You can tell you guys do beans. Let us rice steak and meet. I mean, that's it. How could you be running low on it? Well, I don't know. We just, I don't know if someone didn't order it right. And so they literally were rationing off beans and lettuce and rice and I'm like, this is ridiculous.

And so I. my whole experience there was just fraught with frustration and anger. I'm like, are you really? And my wife and I sit sat there as we're eating our small little bowls because they didn't have enough. I'm like, why didn't you close the store and say we're out of lettuce. Come back another time instead of giving us this terrible experience where. I mean, we literally joked, I think she had five corn kernels. I mean it was just. I'm like, what are you guys doing? You, you will be so much better as far as providing your normal product and insane we're out than to go ahead and try to ration it out through. I was just, ugh. I was so frustrated. I'm like, you guys, you can't do this in business. You have a product that you deliver and you've got to make sure it's the same quality product and when you run out of product, you stop, you don't ration your product.

Oh, it was just the most bizarre experience I've ever seen. And then we went to the apple store to get my son will watch. So if my sons are listening to this podcast, hopefully it doesn't ruin their Christmas. Um, anyway, so we go into an apple store to get a watch and in buying this it was so funny because I love the apple experience. It's just they totally know their customers and everything else. Again, they, they know who their customers are, they cater to their customers, they provide great service when you walk in. But this time was a little different and it was kind of interesting to me. So there was a certain watch we wanted with a certain band and the guy, a guy who was helping us said, oh, I'm so sorry we're out of that. And I said, well, can you order?

He goes, yeah, you can order it online. I'm like, he says, but we can't do that here. I'm like, what do you mean you can't do that here? He goes, well, we, we just, we don't do that. You just have to go. You just have, you can order on your phone, you can go home and you can order it there. And one of the other guys who was in the, their turns to him and says, no, we can take care of that right now. And so he takes me over to a MAC computer, which they will have tons of them already online already connected goes, I am so sorry. I really, really apologize. That is not how we take care of our customers. He goes, let me walk you through this. And he literally went through the entire order form with me and he filled everything out for me and then I gave my car.

I literally, he took everything off my hands to make sure I had a great, great experience. And so again, I will go back to apple because of it. So realize that in real life there are retail funnels and they work the same way online. Is it work offline? It's the same thing. You have to understand, you have to be willing to be polarizing. You have got to know who your customer is and who your customer is not. You also have to provide amazing customer service at all times and if you run out of a product, then you say, we're out and that creates more urgency. It creates more scarcity. It makes me want to come back to you because I realized that you have a high quality product and sometimes you're out and the other thing as far as customer service is you always have to provide the greatest customer service possible because you have no idea who they're going to talk to.

You have no idea what podcasts they're going to publish it so realize in in our world, especially with all the social media out there, you've got to be totally congruent, totally true to who you are as a business, as a person, utmost integrity and the type of customer service that you want your customers to know your brand by. So again, that was my most recent real life retail funnel, and again, I just highly recommend just pay it. Pay attention as you're out shopping, pay attention as you're, as you're going through buying experiences, whether online or offline. See what you can learn from it. It's always fun for me, but my kids, I've totally ruined them. They're like, Dad, we've become these. We pay attention to marketing all the time in every buying experience. And I think that's important. I think you have to realize every time you're buying something, there is an experience and people love experiences.

So give them an amazing experience and the greater that experience, the more willing they are to share it. Like I just did add again, apple, I will be back at shortly because of there's other products I will continue to buy from them. Have an amazing day. Happy thanksgiving, happy holidays, wherever you are. If you like these types of podcasts as far as my kind of going on rants on occasion or telling you the my experience and things, by all means, please let me know. Uh, leave me a comment rate and review this on itunes. Send me a facebook message or an email, whatever it might be. I really want to find out if, if you like this type of a format, if you prefer my interview in other people instead, uh, let me know what you like. And again, most importantly and during this Thanksgiving period of time, I want you to know how thankful I am for you. I know you have the option and the opportunity to listen to a ton of other people and the fact that you've taken time out to listen to me. I really, really greatly appreciate it. Have an amazing day. We'll talk soon.

Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 29, 2018

Sometimes we all have lessons that we have forgotten.  Recently, Dave had to relearn some lessons from Russell on product value.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • DON’T devalue your product or service! (3:00)
  • Becoming resourceful (7:00)
  • Difference between price and value (9:30)

Quotable Moments:

"By adding greater value, the value will overcompensate for any price reduction"

"There is a huge difference between resources, and being resourceful"

Important Links:


Speaker 1:   00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Hey everybody. Welcome back to

Speaker 2:   00:18         radio. This has been a crazy, crazy time. I'm actually recording this in my master bedroom of kind of snuck away here during Thanksgiving holiday. The families over there on the other rooms. I went over here to hide to record this, but I didn't want to. I want to make sure you guys got this. Uh, so I just did a facebook live about it and wanting to make sure that I didn't forget the emotion that I was having right now. So I, I've had the opportunity of knowing Russell now going on I think 11, 11 years, 12 years, something like that. Some crazy amount of time and it's been fun for me to see, uh, our friendship grow and change and develop over the years, being a part in click funnels, all that kind of stuff. But the thing I'm always amazed by as I continue to learn from him and there's nothing more frustrating to meet and having to relearn a lesson, it just pays me wanting to kind of capture this.

Speaker 2:   01:06         And so honestly I thought about just calling this the confessions confessions, but I relearned about black Friday from Russell, but I think we changed it so it'll be something more along the lines of, of market less black Friday mark lesson, something like that. Anyways, backstory here. So Russell was heading out of town on Tuesday, spend the holidays with his family down in Utah. I was here in the office and, and uh, uh, Tuesday and Wednesday and our offices were closed Thursday, Friday. So I knew we were kind of coming down to the end. We've never done a black Friday sale before. And I thought, you know what, I'm going to try to provide extra value here to Russell. And uh, she even get a black Friday sale into for funnel hacking live tickets, a Julie's story. And was out. She had some family thing she was out with.

Speaker 2:   01:48         And so I was kinda running the show. They're on a couple of marketing meetings and all that and so I literally, as I was driving into the office thought, okay, what if we end up doing a cyber black Friday cyber Monday sale? So I'm trying to think of what different things we could do and I thought, you know what, why don't we ended up having a to a basically two payment plan option. We've never done it to payment plan option for funnel hacking live tickets. I thought, you know what, that'd be an awesome idea. What a great idea. How to two payment plan for funnel hacking live tickets. It's only good for cyber for black Friday and cyber Monday for those four days. And I know what I should probably just run this by Russell first. So I said on vox a, but I'm sorry. You know what?

Speaker 2:   02:29         I know your family. Everything else. Just while it's. No, I was thinking about doing this and usually Russell's real good at getting back to me on stuff and I realized that this family stuff that, you know, I'll let this slide for a bit and after a few hours and I didn't hear back and I thought, oh, maybe that's not the best idea. And because one of things I'm known for wrestling live have known each other a long time. We know how each other work real well. And so one of the things I know with Russell is he hates to say no, he hates to be the guy to disappoint and hate. No. And so I've learned that for me. Then the best thing to find out is typically way he'll say no, he just won't respond to something. So I'm sitting there thinking, you know what, I'm going to, I'll post this to him one more time and if I don't hear back then that's a no.

Speaker 2:   03:14         So I posted it one more time. Say, Hey, I know you're with family, I just want to kind of run this by before we do this. And uh, we have an inside joke about a guy who's been lily badgering Russell to do consult and this is a guy gets paid millions of dollars for consulting that Russell just doesn't have the time and the bandwidth to work with, but continues just to say, would you please, please? So he's just begging him in and it got to the point where it's like, listen, I don't respond. That's just my way of saying no. So I just kind of put the guy's initials there, said it might be in like this. And he kind of joked about it and vox dyson, all right dave, so this deal, why not, instead of lowering the price, even though it's the same price, instead of doing a payment plan, if you want to do a black Friday sale, isn't there something we can provide a value instead?

Speaker 2:   04:04         And I'm like, oh, of course price is the worst thing to compete on, especially during black Friday and cyber Monday. Because everybody else is doing that. And anytime you're competing on price, it is a race to the bottom. And everybody knows that there's no competitive advantage of being the second lowest price leader. It just isn't. So why in the world be racing to the bottom? And I'm like, oh, I know that lesson and I've said that lesson, I've taught that lesson a million times and yet I'm falling prey to it again. And so I was just kicking myself and go, oh, you got to be kidding me. So we came up with this other amazing thing where it was funnel emerged in which the product that we were sold in the past only in one time offers and fit and it has a $3,000 value, which they huge, huge bonus, which is a much better opportunity for anybody who is wanting to go to funnel hacking live.

Speaker 2:   04:52         But the other lesson about anytime you find yourself in a situation where you're lowering price, even on black Friday and cyber Monday, what happens here is now you are rewarding people for postponing purchases, which is a terrible thing as a business to do. In fact, the last thing you want to do is to encourage people to wait. That's why we use urgency. We use scarcity, all these kinds of things and so I sit there going why in the world where have done that and I was thought I was being so creative and so smart, but it was a terrible, terrible thing to do and then I'm going through some of my facebook posts that I've got this post from Dean Holland and in his his English cheeky way, basically sarcastically posts out there, shout out to all of the product owners and service providers that are about to alienate their trust in customers by discounting their products for black Friday, cyber Monday for the people that didn't buy yet.

Speaker 2:   05:43         And I was like, oh, it was like a knife to the heart and I know Dean's right to. So I got Russell and Dina. I'm like, okay, I totally screwed this thing up. But again, the lesson here I want to make sure you guys gain and get here is anytime. Find yourself trying to lower price in an attempt to gain market share. It's never, ever, ever going to work to your advantage. There has to be a way that you can add greater value and by adding greater value, the value will overcompensate for any price reduction, and so whenever you're looking offers, try to find ways of reducing price, try to find ways to where the value becomes so huge that the price seems ridiculously low because of all the extra value that they're getting. So that was the first lesson. Then the second lesson came this morning where I got this box from Steven Larsen, who's just love the guy to death.

Speaker 2:   06:38         He's just been doing amazing things recently and so he was in our facebook group and we've seen a lot of people complain and say, I just. I just can't afford funnel hacking live tickets. There are a thousand bucks. It's during the holidays and a million different excuses. Now you have to understand there's a. there's a huge different between resources and being resourceful. I've understand there's been a lot of times where I did not have the resources, meaning the money, the cash, whatever it was to actually purchase something, but the key is to find a way of becoming more resourceful. So you can either earn the money or find a different way of doing it. Now, steven has probably been the king of this when it came to funnel hacking live because this first year at funnel hacking live, he became extremely resourceful. He again still in college, didn't have a job, didn't have much money, was building funnels for people.

Speaker 2:   07:25         Thought you know what? I'm going to barter funnels for funnel hacking, live ticket, and I'm going to barter funnels for airfare and I'm in a bar to funnels for a hotel and it's exactly what he did. And because he did that, he not only got the benefit of actually being at funnel hacking live, he also got the benefit of of increasing his skill set by building more funnels, by becoming more resourceful instead of complainants. And I didn't have the money. So back to where Steven's box came in today, it's like, hey russell, Dave, I'm so tired of seeing people say they can't afford it. He goes, I personally think that person shouldn't pay their rent or shouldn't pay their other bills and she by the phone that can I have a ticket first? Because they do that, they'll find a way of paying their rent.

Speaker 2:   08:06         They'll find a way of of paying their bills. If they keep thinking they're eventually going to find a way to pay for fun, I can life. They never will. They'll never change the life. So he said, what if I actually jump on into the facebook group and I'll do a facebook live or something like that in the facebook group and and teach people how they can become more resourceful. And I'm like, Steven, that's an awesome idea. That's a great idea. And I think in everybody's out of town and didn't want to inconvenience people, I think know what, see why don't we do that like the first week of December and will be a great opportunity for us to come up with another offer and I get this little box back from Russell. He's like, Dave, you want to take advantage of this right now when we already have an offer going and like a slap in my face going again, that's like two lessons.

Speaker 2:   08:51         I know this more than anybody else and that is anytime you have a marketing opportunity and slapping you, staring you right in the face, take advantage of a right then and there. Don't think of postponing it because postponing that loses the momentum. It loses the excitement, loses the energy, and I'm sitting there just kicking myself going, Ugh, here I try to be so helpful and both times it backfired on me, but because of that seems actually gonna be doing a facebook live on Monday morning for us and it'll be an amazing facebook live. I'm sure he'll go for an hour plus just teaching people the seven lessons that he learned sitting next to Russell for two years as a funnel builder. The third lesson out of all this and that is whenever you are putting together offer understand there's a huge difference between price and value and the key when you're presenting the offer is you always talk about the value and not the actual price because the value is what people understand.

Speaker 2:   09:51         They perceive it's what they. That's what they're buying. So take for example, if you are to. We have the offer going on right now for funding by the time you listen to his argument pass, but it's a lesson in hindsight you can learn from. So what we have right now is you actually get a 2000, $997 value free, absolutely free when you go ahead and you buy your phone. I can like take before midnight on cyber Monday. The problem is if a person says, well, you know, it's, I saw it as an oto is only $300. If I was to tell the person, listen, you get a $300 product, when you buy a $997 value, they're going to go, ah, that's okay. But if I tell them that you get a $3,000 value, which to me, it's actually worth a ton more than $3,000. Considering all the values in that product is insane.

Speaker 2:   10:43         You have a $3,000 value for free when you purchase a $997 funnel hacking live ticket. So real quick summary here, understand first and foremost, never, ever, ever, ever compete on price because all it does is it alienates your best buyers. It also frustrates them because it encourages people to wait and so you lose urgency. You lose scarcity and you're doing everything wrong. He's got completely opposite of how any marketing should be done. Second, if you have a marketing opportunity staring you right in the face, take advantage of it, don't postpone marketing opportunities. They're there for a short period of time. And the third thing, always, always in your offers, talk about value and not about price. When you're talking about the value they're going to be receiving. So with all that said, if for some reason you have not purchased the funnel hacking live ticket, I don't know why I don't.

Speaker 2:   11:37         I honestly, I don't know why, but for some reason you haven't. Please go to funnel hacking and get your and get a ticket. I would love to see you guys meet me there and say, you know what, Dave, I listened to that episode during Thanksgiving and I'm here because of that. That would be like awesome, or if you buy your ticket because you listened to this, send me a personal message or whatever. I would love just to see that this resonated. It made sense. Anyways, I hope you have an amazing day. I can't wait to see you guys at funnel hacking live in Nashville, the 20th through the 23rd of February. Again, funnel hacking Get your tickets and please take the heartless three lessons that I had to relearn from Russell today. So amazing. Have a great time and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 3:   12:18         Everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if there's people you like me to interview, more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or I do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 27, 2018

While in Palm Springs for the EY Entrepreneur of the Year awards, Jennifer Garner was one of keynote speakers was Jennifer Garner.  Dave shares the lessons he learned from her.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Embracing Success (2:00)
  • The importance of going through the finish line (4:00)
  • Go All In! (9:50)
  • The stress of success (13:00)

Quotable Moments:

"It doesn’t matter where you’ve been, it matters where you are going"

"Business pushes philanthropy"

"There is no try, there is only do"

"You can’t outsource your relationships"

Important Links:


Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:     00:17         Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm so excited. I'm actually out here in palm springs and just enjoying a joint a day with my wife and uh, just after entrepreneur of the year have met with Russell and collect and she spent a ton of fun just kind of reflecting on things. And one of the things that happened while we were here yesterday afternoon, we had the opportunity of, of, of listening from Jennifer Garner and I love, I love just how authentic she is and how real she is. And I just wanted to kind of share some of the lessons I learned from listening to Jennifer Garner. So what some of the first things she talked about was, it doesn't matter where you've been, it just where you're going. And I know this is a kind of a trite little saying, but she grew up in a Hick town of a West Virginia and really where there was nothing at all and she talked about her growing up and how she had no desire of of being an actor or anything else.

Speaker 2:     01:15         You just didn't even know what that was. A. In fact, the statement she said was, I remember growing up and I thought that Gilligan's island was actually a documentary. I didn't even think of the fact that it could actually been on a set and just understanding the where she came from. She had no concept of, of movies, of Hollywood, of, of anything or like that. And I thought so often in life we get wrapped up as far as of our past and realizing you don't word. It doesn't matter where you've been hurled thing, it just mattered where you're going. I think the other things you talked about was this whole idea of success and how it changed you as you go throughout your life and really the importance of embracing it and using it to build on your dreams. My wife and I were out here and it's been kind of a surreal experience there.

Speaker 2:     01:59         We're sitting in with 200 of the world's greatest entrepreneurs who basically made it and they're successful all brought in by Ernst and young and sitting in the room, you have no idea who's sitting next to you and you have no idea as far as as the level of success at different people have attained it and where you're going. And it was kind of a funny thing where we're sitting there and as the the winners were announced in the technology division. I was obviously I really want to make sure Russell one, and it was an interesting thing. We got done afterwards and we're looking at the person who actually did win and it was Tom Siebel and this is the guy who basically bought, built siebold. The company who Marc Benioff, it learn from it now Marc Benioff is a. We would basically, it was mentored by Siebold who is now gone on to build and create another billion dollar company.

Speaker 2:     02:57         So Russell lost to a who it was just kind of fascinated that they're going, you just have no idea of the level of success. And then the overall winner happened to have been the guy who found a groupon and I'm sitting there going, all these guys are in this audience and you have no idea of the level of success, uh, the different people are at. And I think at times you get so caught up in your own life that you think that your idea of success is a certain level. And then doors get open and you're like, holy smokes, I can't believe what other levels of success are attainable. We had the same experience for those of you guys have been watching the funnel hacker TV. If you haven't, go check it out. We had three episodes in a from dreamforce in San Francisco where we're in Chicago and, uh, two private plans and, and literally within a 24 hour period of time and flying back with grant Cardone, it was just, it was just such a crazy thing when you start realizing how the level of success of the people have in life and where you're at, there's still a whole bunch of other opportunities and other ways of growing.

Speaker 2:     03:54         And so it was interesting to hear her talk about that aspect as well. One of the things she also mentioned was, uh, the time she spent with Matthew mcconaughey on the Dallas buyers club. So she was kind of reminiscing about a lot of the different movies and shows and stuff that she'd been in. And one of the things she talked about was realizing how, how much people give when they're actors, where they go all in, on portraying who they are becoming. And with Matthew mcconaughey, who's become a real good friend of hers by this time, had for Dallas buyers club, lost a ton of weight. And look to the way she described it as completely gaunt and was so weak and she was always afraid as he's walking down the stairs, it wasn't able to make it down the stairs and one of the times she actually saw him, his energy, his trailer there and he'd sit there talking to him, said, Matthew, are you going to be able to make it?

Speaker 2:     04:47         I'm just so concerned about you as a friend and I just wanna make sure you don't make it through this and, and you know what she can eat and you can do other things. And he's like, you know, Jennifer, I'm not focusing on the finish. He says I'm going through the finish line. I thought my wife has been an amazing athlete and still is to this day. And I and I've seen so many different races and marathons she's been in and there's such a difference for those people who make it to the finish line versus those people who are going through the finish line. If you haven't seen it, it's a completely different look on a person's face where they come across the finish line and they keep going because that wasn't the goal wasn't just to get to the finish line. It was I'm going through the finish line and I think that's so important in life that you realize that wherever you set your limit, that's where are you going to go, and so if you said, I'm just going to get to the finish line and I'm done when I'm done versus I'm going through that finish line and I thought that if you look at people who master things in life, that's the approach they take it.

Speaker 2:     05:51         Life is I'm going through the finish line and so I've. I'm really trying to adapt that more in my own life is to make sure that I'm going through the finishing line and not just to it. I want to do the things I really learned a ton from Jennifer on was her ability to pull the emotions of the story from the past to the present. Literally as if it had just happened. And I'm so fascinated by great storytellers because they have this insane ability to elicit so much emotion, just raw, deep seated emotion where you almost want to cry. You, you want to laugh with them, you want to because you feel like it's like you're watching it live right then and there even though they're telling a story that happened to them 20 years ago and it's something I'm really gonna try to spend more time on developing for myself over this next year is that ability to tell stories where you elicit just raw, pure, deep seated emotion where when you were crying, you could actually bring back those tiers when you were laughing.

Speaker 2:     06:53         You bring back the humor. When you are sad and you were experiencing pain, you can bring back those feelings without a destroying you, but in a way that actually helps other people really capture that same feeling that you had by doing it. That's how people are able to learn and to grow and experience things. And I think great storytellers have this insane ability to do that. And Jennifer, she was off the charts crazy with it yesterday. Uh, the other thing I loved was her, this concept of Jennifer has been a spokesperson for years and still to this day, obviously, if those guys would follow, you've seen our capital one that you've seen her involving with saving the children. And so she talks so much about the difference between being a spokesperson versus being an owner. And recently it was kind of fun. The reason she was there speaking to this group of entrepreneurs was because she's become an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2:     07:48         She's now become a business owner. And she says, and this is one of the guy believes soul so hard at the end that is business pushes philanthropy. And what she meant by that is it's one thing as a spokesperson to speak on behalf of a philanthropic idea, whereas this totally different experience to be a business owner where you can contribute your dollars, your time and everything else to that. Uh, so recently she, her whole thing is about kids and about saving the children and about making sure that young kids and young families are able to have farm fresh food. And so she's now has invested in and become a, a, a whole network of farms called once upon a farm. And our whole reason to doing that is because she wanted to be, as a business owner, to be able to contribute not only money and not only be a spokesperson, but to really crafted the business and the direction the business was going.

Speaker 2:     08:41         She goes, the hardest part as a spokesperson is you have all these great ideas you'd like to have let people know about, but they don't care because you're not the business owner. You're a hired hand. And I think the, the idea here as business owners, we have the ability to really push whatever philanthropic idea we want because you're the ones who are contributing the money behind it. You're the ones who were building it and driving it. And so I think, uh, we've tried to do the same thing with click funnels. We did donate to a dollar for every single follow that gets published to village impact. Uh, we spent over a million dollars last year, invested a million in, and they'll be a million dollars for our operation underground railroad by creating a, by filming, a documentary, paying for the documentary, and then using that documentaries you've gotten to raise money. We're now in the process of hiring an affiliate manager.

Speaker 2:     09:27         In fact, for those of you guys who might be interested, this by all means, reach out to me. If you're wanting to be an affiliate manager for operation underground railroad, by all means, let me know because we're in the process of trying to hire someone to help push this, this mission and this passion forward. And that's what you have the ability to do as a business owner, is to be able to actually make change happen. One of the things she talked about was, uh, this, some of the advice she said is, be decisive. In other words, go all in. Don't dabble. Don't dip your toe in. Realize whatever you're going to do, go all in on this thing. Focus on and spend. Don't just so often people and drives me crazy. I hear this happen all the time. Well, I'm going to try this. No, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2:     10:10         If you're going to try it, they'll never work. Uh, I think it's back to Yoda saying there is no one. There is no try. There's only do. And I think that's the whole idea here is you've got to go all in. I don't care if it's all in, on your business, all in, in your relationships, all in your parenting. Whenever you're going to do, go all in on it, man. Have a ton of fun. Get excited about it. It's one of the things I've loved, I admire so much with my wife is she has this insane ability when she's in something, she's all in it and I've. It's one of the things I'm so attracted to her because of this ability she has, if going all in with our kids. She's all in and our kids, I mean it's 100 percent as a mom. She's raising our kids in and 100 percent all in, in our relationship.

Speaker 2:     10:55         She's all in, in her church. Callings and service. She's all in on it. And I think that as you take a look at life, the people who enjoy life and experience life and love life the most, it's because they go all in on it. And I think too often people dabble thinking, I'm going to try this. I'm gonna try that. There is no try. There's only do so go all in. Have a ton of fun and experience life that way. That's the only way you truly get the most out of life without sending. I think she talked about this whole concept as far as balance in life. There is no such thing as really a balance, but you have to kind of look at it day by day and week by week and year to year. And as you kind of pay attention to those things on time capsules, you'll find areas where, you know, what, it's been a long time since I've focused in this area in my life.

Speaker 2:     11:41         And you got to go focus on that. Um, I think my wife and I were talking about it today as far as this idea that you cannot, you can't outsource certain things in your life. And one of the things you cannot outsource or your relationships, you just can't do it. You gotta you have, that's the one thing. I mean I can outsource a ton of other stuff at work and at home, but the one thing you cannot outsource or your relationships and you guys spend time, you've got to focus. You've got to develop those and build those. The one thing you can't outsource. So go all in, be excited and spend the time developing those relationships. The last thing, uh, the interviewer though, it was actually a friend of hers, she lifelong friend, she'd grown up with basically in her early days in New York trying to try to get jobs and interviewing for parts and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2:     12:34         And she was Korean, was sitting there asking her, so what would, what would you tell yourself today that you would do that would be important for your 28 year old self to know? And she goes at 20 slash 20. It was when Jennifer was just starting to have success and says, you know, Jennifer, what would Jennifer's now 46 as she sat on 46 and a half, just made me have a little bit 46 and a half, so it's almost 20 years before she had her first success. He says, what would you tell yourself? You went back to your 20 year old self will be the life lessons and things you would want your 28 year old self to know. And it's kind of funny because Jennifer said, you know what? The first thing I would tell myself as soon as you start having success is to understand, understand that success is stressful.

Speaker 2:     13:19         And so the very first thing I would do is I would, I would get, I would get a coach and I'd start therapy and everybody started laughing. She goes, no, I'm really serious. You have to understand that success is stressful and it will literally eat you up. And as I sat there, I thought, you know what? The greatest things I've done in my life, things I've learned the most is the importance of having mentors. Having coaches and she was talking about the same thing. Get a mentor, get a coach, get involved in therapy, find someone who can help you manage all the craziness that's going to go on in your life. And so as I take a look at all the things that have happened, the things I've enjoyed the most is when I started hiring coaches in my life and mentors, uh, for those of you guys have been following you on facebook or even hearing a lot of my podcast, uh, this, this last year, I've hired three different coaches.

Speaker 2:     14:07         I've got a coach for our financial goals and things where I'm trying to go to financially. I hired another coach as far as a trainer. I'm getting up at 4:33 days a week and it's the most brutal time and I hate it, but I love it and I'm so grateful for Eric and for all the things that he's helped me learn. I'm learning proper form and techniques and it's one of those things were working out as never. It's been one thing I've always wanted to do, but I've never focused on it and I didn't focus on it until I got a coach and I'm so thankful for him and I'm obviously I'd, I would love to have these rippling muscles and everything else. I'm not there yet, but what I am is I'm learning and I'm growing and I'm, I'm. I'm really loving getting in shape and staying in shape and focusing on it.

Speaker 2:     14:54         So realize you've got to hire a coach. And then the other coach have hired recently as a personal coach, a Jerrick Robbins, Tony's son. I hired him to help me with some of the things that my own personal life and in business and I've loved the time I spent with all three of these coaches and so I highly recommend that one of the most important things for you to make sure that you're doing is you're hiring mentors. You're hiring coaches. You're getting therapy or you're going through and that. You're using that to realize that success is stressful and your level of success. Every depends on the people you're associated with and the people you hire. And the people you're getting coached by and mentored by, so realize that you have to use coaches in your life. And I'm a huge, huge proponent of it. So as much as I love going to live events, I also love having coaches.

Speaker 2:     15:39         I hope you guys have an amazing time. Let me know if this kind of content is valued. Gee, I really, again, I value your time and I want to make sure that, uh, anybody who's listening to this, that they're getting something out of this that is a value to you. So please go to itunes rate and review this. Leave me a comment there. Send me a facebook message in instagram, personal message, email, whatever it is. Let me know if this is a value to you. If it's not, I want, I want to change it, I want to stop it because your time is the, is the one thing that I know I can never get more of, neither can use. So I want to make sure that day those you guys were listening to this, that you're getting value out of it. Having an amazing day and we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3:     16:15         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as at the pub like meaning. If you are more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others. And let me know how else I can improve this or I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 20, 2018

Genius Network usually has about 200 people.  This year it was about 400 people.  Dave took away a ton of insites while there.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Who made the rules? (2:00)
  • The difference between a consumer vs entrepreneur mindset (5:20)
  • Three types of Days (7:00)
  • Taking your marketing to the highest level of authenticity (12:20)

Quotable Moments:

"Don’t get hung up on your past, use it as raw material."

"You’re mindset is what focuses you behaviors."

"Every person has a purpose in life, even if it is to be a bad example."

Important Links:


Speaker 1:       00:00             Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:       00:17             There'll be welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm super excited today. I'm actually out in Palm Springs, a wee Russell and myself and Carrie wife and a collector here. It was just a ton of fun along with the Russell's parents and today's. Before we fly back, it's kind of a than I'm going to try to get caught up. I that so many things happening recently and I just feel like I haven't connected with people, so I want to kind of share some of the things have been happening and some of the lessons I've been learning, I've been traveling a ton as my wife will attest to, uh, over the last four or five, six weeks now. And so I really wanted to kind of give you guys some of the, some of the insights that I received while being at some of the events. So I can't even tell you.

Speaker 2:       00:58             I'm sorry, I can't remember all the place had been that, uh, one of the ones recently was genius network, which was last weekend and while I was there, so Jesus network is normally about 200 people and Joe Polish is the guy who basically had the standards, can usually kind of keeps it to that list, but this year he kind of expanded it and it was kind of a different dynamic, be a little bit larger. It was almost three 5,400 people. But the cool part was the insights and things that I got while I was there. And that's what some things I want to share with you. So this is going to be kind of a popery mix of a whole bunch of different ideas and kind of go through them pretty quick. But hopefully these are ideas or takeaways that might be a benefit to you and your business into your life.

Speaker 2:       01:35             And uh, hopefully this makes sense to you guys. So if there's, if you're liking this kind of content, if you don't mind, please leave me a comment. Send me an obstacle to itunes rate and review this. And if you don't mind either, uh, send me a personal message on facebook or instagram, email me, whatever. Uh, I just, I always appreciate the feedback and I want to make sure that you're getting value out of this. If you're not, I'd love to change it to make sure that you are so I appreciate the time that you're taking to listen to this and your ghost. Uh, one of the very first people who spoke was a boat Easton, and one of the things he talked about was this concept as far as who made the rules and those people that know me, I've always kind of taken it.

Speaker 2:       02:15             I've looked at rules as, as something that, uh, are, are great ideas. Had this really resonated with me because his whole thing was who made the rules. If it wasn't you, why are you following them? And I think a lot about some of the things that we typically do in life where we just keep doing it because we've always done it. Or you probably heard the story of the Thanksgiving Ham where basically what happened was a man was sitting there talking to his wife and each time I always asked them, so why is it ever safe every single thanksgiving you cut the ends off of the Ham? And she's like, I don't know. My mom always did. And she said, well great. You know what grandma's going or your mom is going to be here at Thanksgiving. I want to ask her why. And so sure enough, his mother in law was there.

Speaker 2:       03:00             And he said, so tell me why is it that you've always cut cut off the ends of the Ham before you cook it for Thanksgiving? She goes, I just doesn't make any sense to me. We're wasting all this good meat and steak. You know what I don't know my mom always had. And it's like, alright, I gotta get to the bottom of this. There's gotta be some reason why we cut off the ends of the Ham. And so he said, why don't we call grandma and let's ask grandma why she cuts the ends off of the ham every single thanksgiving. So it was sure enough they get grandma on the phone and grandma goes, well, because my oven wasn't large enough to fit the ham in, I had to cut it off and so it Kinda goes back to that same idea as far as sometimes we just obey rules and things without really knowing why.

Speaker 2:       03:39             And if it doesn't benefit us and you don't know who set the rules, you may want to question why. So it was one of things I got from bullies and I thought was just a great insight. Dan Sullivan who owns strategic coach always has a ton of words, wisdom. He's always dropping pearls, wisdom and some of the things he was talking about I want to share with you were things that I think I hope resonate with you in a way that is a value to you. One of things he said was that your past is just raw material for you to use for learning. I think so often as entrepreneurs we go through a lot of struggles and you're like, oh my gosh, I don't want to share this with anybody because I'm not very proud of it. And his whole thing was, you know what, it's just raw material.

Speaker 2:       04:17             Don't get hung up on your past. Just use your past as raw material to help you in your learning and to help others as well. Use that like a comedian would use their raw material and find ways of changing it to benefit you to make sure that it's a value to you. The other thing he talked about was this whole concept as far as that your eyes only see and your ears only hear what your brain is looking for. And I see this happen so often with so many people and it's always fascinating to me where two people can have the exact same experience and yet get a completely different meaning out of it. And I think it's really important that you take a look at the way you approach things is how you approach everything. If you approach things with the idea that I got to find out what's wrong with this, you will find out what's wrong.

Speaker 2:       05:02             If you approach it with this concept as far as what can I learn from this? What's the value in this? You will get value and you will get learning out it, and so I love the idea as far as eyes only see and ears only hear what your brain is looking for, so thanks Dan. One of the things he talked about was this concept as far as the difference between a consumer versus an entrepreneur on their mindset, and I think this is a real important for you. Anybody who's listening to this as a consumer and as an entrepreneur, you got to consider both sides to it. If you're selling a product, you're the entrepreneur and you've got to understand how are your buyers looking at this as far as consumer. So typically the consumer mindset is one of criticizing, complaining, and blaming. I think that this is one of the things I've seen happen so often.

Speaker 2:       05:43             It just blows my mind where someone can sit there and complain and blame other people for an experience that they purchased just because it wasn't exactly what they wanted. And I think too often consumers have this mentality that every almost an entitlement mentality these days and drives me absolutely insane. I hate, I have no room for entitlement in my life and I just don't do well with those people like it. The other thing he said was, as far as the entrepreneur, it says entrepreneur mindset is more of a transformers mindset and with the transformer mindset, what you're looking at is, is more things along as how can I contribute, how can I collaborate? How can I create, and I find this extremely valuable is as I look at the things that I've ever experienced, I'm in, whether it's even a negative experience, it's like how can I use this experience and what can I create from this experience?

Speaker 2:       06:35             How can I contribute to this experience? How can I collaborate with realize that every experience there's there is good in it. If you look for it, one of things he talked about again is Dan Sullivan was when you're looking as far as transformers mindset, the key to that is time, and this is one of the things I'm really going to focus a lot more on. My wife and I were just talking about this recently as far as the importance of of really dedicated and setting aside more time and Dan had a great idea here as far as the key to transformers mindset as time and too often we are so tightly scheduled that it actually constricts our ability to think and if you can't think you can't develop and you can't create, so one. A couple of things that I've made mentioned before on a prior podcast that I learned from Dan was his three types of days.

Speaker 2:       07:22             Free Days, focus days and buffer days, focus days. Those days where you're going all in and you literally are closing the door and there's no other. Nothing's happening, but whatever you've got, you've got to get done. That's your plateau, diploma type of days. These are your focus days. Those days you've got to make sure no matter what I have to get this done. Free days are the days where you're literally, which I've never done a very good job of. I'm going to. That's my goal for this next year is to start scheduling free days where you literally do nothing. You don't work. You actually allow your mind to think and to create and to develop and to be exposed to other things and one of the days that he's really well known for and that those are the buffer days where you literally understand as an entrepreneur, there's so many things happening all the time and you're trying to build and grow and develop things that we schedule things so tight.

Speaker 2:       08:08             They said what you need is a buffer day where this is your, is your makeup day. It's a day where you're like, I have nothing else to do except to get caught up on all the other things and you literally have to plan those. So you plan your focus days. You then plan buffer days and then reward yourself with free days. So those are some of the insights from Dan. Again, I always love Dan and sub is strategic coach stuff is just awesome. Um, another thing is to really focus on your strengths and not your weaknesses. That the whole idea here is to realize that your mindset, your mindset is what alters your behavior, and if you start focusing on your weaknesses and your mindset is all around your weaknesses, you will find that your behavior focuses more on your weakness. Whereas if you allow your mindset to focus on your strengths and you continue to develop your strengths and you outsource your weaknesses, you'll find that your mindset actually continues to grow and to expand.

Speaker 2:       08:57             So huge, huge believer in the idea as far as understanding. It's so much better to outsource your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. One of the things that Joe Polish, he's because you guys know Joe, he's very sarcastic guy who loves making fun of himself and others in and it's. This is a true Joe Polish, a statement that says, every person in life for every person has a purpose in life. Even if it has to be a bad example to you, and I think that is just so, so joe, but it it. I've, again, I totally agree with it that every single person who run across your life serves a purpose and sometimes that is a purpose to be a bad example, meaning I'm going to learn not to do, but this person did. So I thought that was pretty awesome. I want to do the things they had on there was actually a panel of four generations deep guys and a girl.

Speaker 2:       09:50             So three guys, one girl, uh, 18, 19 and 20 years old. And it was really cool for us, for me to, uh, I've got two kids right now in that age group and another one soon hitting it. And I've, I love, love my four boys and it's so fun for me to see how they learn. And it was fun as I listened to these four generation z people talking about how to market to generation z. So one of the things for them was that stories and experiences, what they look for, they really look for experiences for them. Everything is about the experience says we don't get too wrapped up in things as much as people think that they do. It says we've really kind of grown up with more of a shared economy and so experiences are super critical to them. The other thing he said is to make sure that you turn moments into movements and I'd look at what we've tried to do with clickfunnels and it's been one of the things we really have tried to do is to take moments and turn those into movements and I would encourage you in your own marketing to find out what those moments are and really trying to make a movement around them.

Speaker 2:       10:53             Uh, the other thing they talked about was the fact that to quote a conner blakely said, we breathe stories. And I thought, man, I mean we've talked a ton about stories and it's honestly one of the main reasons I'm doing this podcast at the recent. I'm doing it as many facebook lives as I am. I'm trying to get better at telling stories and not just telling the story, but hopefully have been able to elicit in to develop the story with more emotion. I'm sure this podcast is coming across probably more factual as far as things that actually happened, but I'm really going to try to, in upcoming episodes and things, I want to focus more on the emotion because what I've realized, and I've seen this, Russell does probably, it's probably one of the best at it, uh, is the ability to get into that state and to tell the story from as if it had just happened and to bring back those same raw, those st pure emotions because it's the first time that other person is hearing it.

Speaker 2:       11:50             And so for them, the greater the emotion that you can bring to it, the greater empathy and the greater connection they're going to have with you. So those are some of the things that they've talked about as far as generation z. A Dean Graziosi, he's a dear friend of mine and I just, I love talking to him anytime is just kind of hearing his insights. Has Been Marketing for over 30 years now. And just, uh, just always has great insights. And one of things he was talking about was to make sure that you take your marketing to the highest level of authenticity and I think that today so often there's this idea as far as kind of fake it till you make it type of approach or faking the Lambo Bose or, or the influencer type of approach to life. And I think people what I know what people want more than anything else is true authenticity.

Speaker 2:       12:36             And so don't be afraid to share your own insecurities. And I, it's again, I, I'm really going to, this is my goal in 2019 is to really focus more on, on really sharing more of my own insecurities of really. I've been an entrepreneur now for over 25 years and there'd been a lot of ups but there'd been a ton of downs and I think I probably haven't done the best job at sharing those and I hope to get better at doing that in upcoming episodes. And things. Uh, the other thing dean talked about was the importance of, of which again is something we, we tout a ton of click funnels and that is this whole idea as far as you need to focus more on raising your own money and focusing on cashflow versus going out to try to raise capital and have other people invest in you.

Speaker 2:       13:24             I'm a huge, huge proponent and believer in the fact that the greatest way to market and to grow your business is to sell, to do your own marketing, to do your own selling and to fund your own business through your own sales. That's the way you know your product and service actually resonates with the buyer. When they take the credit card out of their wallet and they actually swipe that and give you money for your product or service, that's when you know you've, you've done it right. And so I think that too often these days people are so focused on raising money and raising capital from outside ventures where the real benefit to knowing your customer, knowing your client, knowing whether your product or service actually resonates is when they pay you for it. So I did, again, huge believer in doing just that. One of the last things I want to talk to you about is a gentleman by the name of Andre Norman.

Speaker 2:       14:09             So Andre Norman, uh, ended up getting basically an African American guy grew up in the ghettos and the, some really, really bad experiences. Gangs and everything else. Ended up serving I think 18 years in prison and has now come out and is trying to turn his life around and is trying to help a deal is made thing right now is helping people with addiction, which is a huge cause that uh, Joe Polish is involved in. And one of the things he talks so much about was the pain that people experience. It says, and this is how he's taking a look at his own life. And I think it was a extremely valuable lesson to me is to realize that the things you go through in your life, they actually have a purpose. And what he said was, it's not about you and it's not about your pain.

Speaker 2:       14:58             It's about the people who are coming behind you. And I thought, man, that is so, so true. And I think this kind of ties in as far as the importance of being vulnerable, about being authentic, authentic is the Lord has given you experiences, trials in your life to help you grow and help you develop and help you to build and realize that it's not just for you. It's for the people who are going to come from who are coming behind you. And I've seen that happen so often in any of the mentors and the people I've worked with as they go through the trials of their life. They use those trials to help bless the lives of others. And I think that, uh, you take a look at, at your own life and the trials and the hard things that you go through. It's not about you.

Speaker 2:       15:40             And it's not about the pain that it caused for you, it's about how you can help the people who are going to come beyond behind you and how those lessons of your life will be a blessing to them. So with that, I hope you have an amazing day. Again, I greatly appreciate and I can't thank you enough for taking the time to listen to these podcasts. If you're liking this kind of stuff, please let me know a rate, review it on itunes. I read all the comments there, send me a facebook message or an instagram post, or send me an email. Let me know if this is helping, if it's a value to. If it's not, I want to change it because your time is extremely important to you and to me, and I want to make sure you're getting the most out of it. Have an amazing day. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 3:       16:18             Hi everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as the people you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 15, 2018

Over the last few weeks, Dave has been traveling to a ton of different events.  In his travels, he always has take-aways. Listen to some of his Aha Moments from the road recently.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Creating your Story Inventory (1:00)
  • Your Calendar (5:30)
  • The 4 R’s (7:00)
  • Results (8:00)
  • Dave’s confession (10:00)
  • Mistakes in life (14:00)

Quotable Moments:

"People pay for outcomes more than they pay for time."

"It’s marketing that makes people take action."

"You can’t serve people without selling."

"You can’t grow until you buy."

Other Tidbits:

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Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:     00:17         Welcome back everybody. This is going to be kind of days ramps for the road. I've been traveling quite a bit. I'm going to start kicking up even more recently here at. You've got a lot of things going on, so it's been a lot of crazy thoughts. This is we're going to be a Potpourri of thoughts and things that had happened. I had been doing a lot of reading marketing books that person development books, business books. I'm speaking to a ton of different people recently, so this is going to be some of a whole bunch of just block, but I want to get it out to you guys and want to make sure you can share with us and make sure you understand some of the value that a of what I'm seeing these days. So first one is, and I've talked about this one before, but I cannot stress the importance of a story inventory.

Speaker 2:     00:57         So right now if you do not have a story inventory, you've got to write this down, air lock this thing, uh, do whatever it takes to make sure that you don't forget, start creating your story. Inventory. Store inventory is one of the things you're going to use whenever you find yourself in a situation that you have to explain things. It's all goes back to the kind of like bridges that Russell's talked about for years and it's been so fun. I was with Russell and Dan as we were traveling. I think we were in Chicago last two weeks ago and when we landed it was fascinating because all of a sudden we land and I think I had made, it was a red eye flight. We had an hour and a half, two hours of sleep exhausted and all of us were just kind of dragging.

Speaker 2:     01:39         Would come down the escalator. As soon as we hit the escalator, a land down to the bottom. It's in the Chicago airport, it'll hair. You have these underground pathways that just lead forever. I'm sure it's due to all the snow and stuff that get out there, but we hit there and above these walking. I'm walking little escalators, but walking paths, motorized, walking past, whatever you call those things. Soon as we got down there above them, are there all these little crazy lights and russell literally state totally changed. It's like, oh my gosh, I totally remember this place. I remember exactly this place and I was here with my dad and his state totally changed and Dan and are like, whoa, Whoa, whoa. We gotta capture this. So Dan grabbed his camera. He's like, all right, what backstory? What are we talking now? What are you talking about?

Speaker 2:     02:26         So the key to a lot of story inventory, you've got to have a backstory. You got to help people understand what's going on. So the backstory to it was Russell and his dad, the last time Russell was in that airport that you remembered was with his dad when he was in high school and they were coming out for the national wrestling, a meet and the emotion that Russell felt it was the craziest thing for me to see was literally changed from being exhausted to totally in state of being in that moment with his dad and when you're telling your stories, you've gotta be able to get in that moment for yourself. Tell bring other people into that moment with you. And Dan was just doing an amazing job as well. Russell, tell me about this. How were you feeling when this happened? How are you feeling when this happened?

Speaker 2:     03:07         Tell me about this. And so we're on this walk, this electronic moving path. Dan's in front with the camera. I'm on the other side with the different cameras looking at film and the story has Russell's telling us all of the raw emotions as a teenager that he had with his dad going to nationals, setting the goal, setting the dream of someday, Dad, I'm gonna. Be here, and it was fascinating, fascinating to see exactly the state that person can get into and then help other people get into that. A similar type of estate, so when you're telling your stories, first of all, you got to create a story inventory. Then you got to practice your stories. It's kind of like a comedian. Russell made mentioned this on his podcast. I've heard it from Dean Grasiozi. I was talking to a buddy of mine, Keith Yackey is going to be doing some, uh, he's doing some standup comedy and it's interesting to see all any comedian.

Speaker 2:     03:56         They basically start practicing their jokes. They've, they know certain jokes they're going to land for sure. And then they'll always toss into kind of a teaser or testing joke or testing story and they start practicing these stories. I've seen this with Russell where he will practices stories multiple times. You'll end up telling a story to me. I'll tell it to bread. I'll tell it to John. He will tell it to todd and Dale and seeing what type of reaction does he get out of it. Tells Julie and then keeps fine tuning and fine tune and then you'll take that story after he's told her one on one and then start doing small groups and then I'll actually do it on a podcast. Then they'll do it on facebook live. Then they'll actually take it like right now he's actually in San Diego just about ready to go on stage here in the next 45 minutes to a group and to make sure that every single person is a part of of exactly what's going on and so they can feel it.

Speaker 2:     04:47         They can test it, they can understand it, and they can experience that. So the whole idea behind this is to make sure that you're practicing your stories at different levels to perfect them so that you can actually tell them what the same impact with the same emotion as if it was happening to you live right then and there. So great storytellers have the ability to get into that state. I've seen it with Tony Robbins where he's told the same stories that a thousand times, but it can get in the same state, which then helps other people get in that state, so when you look at it, storytelling, a mixture, you're creating a story inventory and then start practicing those stories. Talk to the different people, see what the reaction is. Asos, we, you know, loving care about. You say, what can I do to make this story better?

Speaker 2:     05:25         How can I connect better with you? How can I get more emotion out of what I'm saying? That you can actually feel it because stories are all about eliciting emotion and feeling so that's the first thing. You have a store inventory. Practice your stories and make sure they work. The next thing. This totally, again, these are all random. Next thing here is a calendar as a reflection of your goals and your priorities. I've been doing a lot of things. I'm trying to become a better dad, a better husband, a better at every little aspect of my life, but really focusing right now on a lot of family stuff. I spent a lot of time with work and I love what I do and I love my kids and my family even more and that's why I do what I do, get my calendar doesn't reflect that as much.

Speaker 2:     06:05         Um, I'm a huge believer in, in dating my wife, but I don't, it's not in my calendar. And so I started actually putting it at the beginning of the month yet. Okay sweetheart, what are the actual dates we're going to do this and this month I've got a ton of travel. So I was like, holy cow, had I not done that, I would've missed three or four dates for my wife because I'm just not in town on the weekend. So we actually are doing our dates midweek and had I not actually set a time in advance and blocked it out on my calendar, those never would have happened. So realize that your calendar actually is going to reflection of your goals and your priorities. Uh, for me, one of the things I'm really trying to get better at is working out on a regular basis. And so you'll see at 5:00 in the morning, I'm at the gym, do Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, and that's in the calendar.

Speaker 2:     06:49         It's right there. Uh, it makes it a priority, spending time attending my kids' Games, uh, there in football right now. So football games or are super important and that's what's going on right now. Did you focus on making sure that you're looking at your calendar and your calendar is a reflection of your goals, your priorities. You'll find that you actually get more things done. Most importantly, you'll get the things that are most important done first. And next thing I want to talk to you guys about is the importance of outcomes. I would have been, right now we're spending a lot of time creating what we refer to as the four Rs. That's a four r document. Alex Charfen talked about this quite a bit. And whole idea behind this is each position, each job description actually has four rs to it. The first one is the role.

Speaker 2:     07:29         The role basically is what's the title, what's the compensation, what's the overall all ideas far behind that. The next thing is the actual requirements of that job, so what are the things they actually you have to do? Third thing, they are the results and the fourth thing then would be, I'm sorry, the second one is the root is the responsibilities, so one of the things I doing on a regular basis, they need to to actually do, to get the third thing, the third thing, then be in the results and the fourth thing then will be requirements, so the requirements, so you need to have a this skill or this skill or this skills as kind of a bare bones basic type of requirements. So those. That's what brief references as far as the four r document. If you wanna find out more about it, check out.

Speaker 2:     08:07         Alex sharpens a Huffington post article, so you just Google for ours. Alex Charfen, it'll come up, but I want to talk to you right now about when you start looking at those. For ours, the one that's actually most important that it's a in the document is actually third and that is results. One of the things we find as we start working with a lot of people that you've got to employees and you start to look at your own life. Too often we get focused on what being busy and busy. This means nothing. All that matters is what's the outcome. It's and people pay for outcomes more than they pay for time. So it's not the time or the task that matters. It's what the outcome is. And I've seen this happen a ton and uh, as I've hired consultants, I've worked with people, I don't care what it takes to get it done all at once.

Speaker 2:     08:50         I want it done. So whatever it takes to get it done, that's what I want to pay for. A same type of thing. We've had contractors over the house doing different stuff. I'm like, I don't care how many hours it takes. I just want this one thing finished so I will pay you to get it done. I don't care if it takes you 10 hours. If it takes two hours, I'm going to pay just for the result I'm paying for the outcome. So when you start looking at hiring people and you look at your business, focus on what are the outcomes when you're looking at selling, what people want to buy, our outcomes they want. What I want is I want to actually get a facebook ad up and running, making money. That's my outcome. I don't care it as far as understanding ad manager and all the different tasks and everything else.

Speaker 2:     09:29         What I want is I want the outcome. Uh, if you're a consultant and you're looking and you're working or an agency, people want the funnel built, they want, they don't care about all the time and effort you put into it. All they want is the end product. So as you start managing people, as you start looking at products is realize what people want are outcomes. And so focus more on the outcomes. Then a long laundry list of all the to do's and everything else. So if you focus more on the outcomes, you actually will get more outcomes. And that's what people want. Most. Number four is a confession here. And this confession actually is, I have ruined my family. I have totally ruined them. I have it. They can't go into the, can't see anything on TV. They can't go to the grocery store to go shopping without thinking like a marketer.

Speaker 2:     10:12         My entire family now, things like marketers as funny. The other day I, my boys were home and they were talking about, uh, uh, I forget exactly what it was like, oh my gosh, did I totally messed this up? If they had closed it this way or this way or this way, we actually would have bought from him. And I'm like, you guys all think like marketers. It's been a ton of fun, but our conversations these days revolve a ton around marketing. My boys are a little bit older. I gotta get, I've gotTa Chandler's 22, Parker's 20 Christians, 17 and Jackson's 15, but it's fun. I'm almost all listened to Russell's marketing secrets and we spent a lot of time watching funnelhacker radio or funnel hacker TV and it's been fun because they started thinking more like marketers and the reason why it's as you look at ruining your family in that way, it's really kind of fun because now conversations are around marketing and realize the whole reason why marketing matters so much is it's marketing that makes people take action and if you start looking at the way people take actions and moving their life, it's the marketing that gets put in place for them to actually think and to take the actions that they need to actually make things work in their life.

Speaker 2:     11:21         So for me, it's actually as much as I've ruined the middle and they all just think like marketers, it's been a ton of fun. So I'd recommend a. spend some time with your kids and your family and talk more about marketing. I remember years ago we started off watching shark tank and I was. I spent a lot of time with the kids. Said, okay, I need you to tell me how much is that company worth while they want $100,000 for 10 percent of the company? Well, what's that mean? The value of the company, his head, so all of a sudden they're doing math without realizing they're doing math, but I guess dad, that's, that's a million dollar company. Is it really worth that? Well, let's listen to and find out, and so as you start paying attention to marketing and you start having those kinds of conversations, it's actually a ton of fun.

Speaker 2:     11:59         Your family. More importantly, you actually will find that it starts motivating your family and your kids to start realizing what's it take for them to set things in their own life in motion. I'm number five. Here is one of the things that kind of ties into similar thing as far as marketing, but the idea here for a lot most people don't understand is you can't serve people without selling. I'm going to do a podcast later that's going to talk about my fear of selling, but for years I was always afraid of selling and what I've realized is I you cannot serve people without providing opportunities for them to buy and too often as marketers and as as people who are doing this as a business, the selling asking for the sale is so painful. It's so hard. It's like, no, I just. That's so far in my comfort zone.

Speaker 2:     12:48         I don't want to do that. Realize until there's an exchange that there can be no value given and I really want to make sure you understand that you cannot serve people until you sell them something. All the free content that you put out there, all of the things that allows them to opt in until they actually spend money with you. That's the only time that you can really serve them a everything else that you can be adding value in their life, but there's no true service given until they exchange money and it goes back to the whole idea as far as people who pay play. In other words, people who actually pay you money, those are the people who are going to take action and until they take action in their life, nothing else matters. There's so many people sit on the sidelines of life consuming massive amounts of content, but they never actually implement that or take action.

Speaker 2:     13:36         So realize you cannot serve people until you sell them something and you can't grow until you buy. So you need to be on both sides of that coin. You've got to be a buyer and you've got to be a seller, and the more you sell, the more value you will be able to give to people. The more you buy, the more value be able to consume, which in turn will then help you basically be able to serve people at a greater event later in your life as well. So please understand the importance of selling. I'm sure a lot is random potpourri type of thoughts I've had going, but I want to make sure that you understand this. The last one here was a one where actually refers to golf. Uh, so we just bought a house, built a house on a golf course. Uh, it's something I've always wanted to do.

Speaker 2:     14:18         I used to play golf when I was younger and it was always a fun, fun experience for me and I thought, you know what, these days I actually want to live on a golf course and have my kids get involved in golf. So as I mentioned, my boys are getting older and my wife's an avid runner and so it's been one of those things as a family, since we actually live on the golf course, we can go out real even late at night and just hit a couple of holes and just have fun as a family. It's been kind of a fun family sport, but one of the things you'll find in golf as far as the way people keep score is you'll hear people talk about par, about bogey, about double bogeys birdies, eagles, all kind of stuff. So real quick lesson in keeping score in golf par is what a good person should be able to get for that whole.

Speaker 2:     14:58         So that's kind of the benchmark. So if it's a par three means you should be able to get the ball from the tee, shot into the hole in three shots. If the for. Obviously it's for if the par five, it's five shots to get there. So that's par. A birdie is one less than par. So it's a par four and you've got to three, you got a Birdie, and if it's an eagle that means it's two less than par. So if it's a par five and you got three, you got an eagle, which is like amazing. On the flip side of the coin, we can go in the other direction. A bogey is one over par and a double bogey is too overpowering. But the real issue, when you start taking a look at what a double bogey really means and how this applies to you and your own life, typically the reason you hit the reason you get a bogey is because you had a bad shot.

Speaker 2:     15:44         That's why you're one over par is because you've got a bad shot and you're having to correct for that. A double bogey comments when you have a bad shot followed by a stupid shot, and what I mean by that is frequently when you're. When you're playing golf, you'll hit a bad shot and then you'll think, you know what? I know I'm kind of in the trees over here, but if I hit, I hit my ball just right and I get just underneath or between these two branches I can actually get on the green and not only saved my buggy, but actually might actually get to a par and she take a stupid shot trying to do this miraculous shot in an effort to save, save par, and what happens is you're taking a stupid shot and you're going to end up with a double bogey or possibly even a triple bogey.

Speaker 2:     16:25         So the reason I mentioned that is in life, the same thing happens where sometimes we make mistakes. There's nothing wrong with making a mistake. The hard part is when obviously you make a mistake and then you make a stupid mistake right after that, trying to compensate for it. Whereas in golf, the easy thing to do is if you make a bad shot, instead of trying to hit this miraculous shot, just take an easy shot, a simple shot where it's going to put you back in the fairway, which is the main green. If you just, instead of you're in the rough, you're in a bad shot. Instead of trying to hit this miraculous one, just take a simple shot, put it back into play and then take another shot from there. Same thing in life where in life, if your find yourself sitting there where you take something happens and it's just a bad decision, don't make a stupid decision trying to compensate that.

Speaker 2:     17:11         Just take a safe shot, make it easy and then go ball ball and make it happen. So those are some of the thoughts I've been having recently as I've been out to do it. A lot of the crazy stuff as I've been traveling, I run across all these crazy thoughts and ideas and I just, uh, I tend to run it down and sometimes I just throw them at you. Hopefully there was something of value here. If not, I apologize you spent the last 15 minutes. Listen to me anyways. Have an amazing day. If you haven't gotten your tickets to funnel hacking live, by all means, I don't know why you wouldn't, but please go to funnel hacking We'd love to see in Nashville it's going to be February the 29th, a 20th through the 23rd of two Thousand Nineteen February 20th through 23rd 2019 in Nashville.

Speaker 2:     17:52         Can't wait to see you again. If you don't mind. I love to get feedback from you. If you're liking these types of podcasts, especially this one, I know I'm all over the board on this one, but if it's a value to you, let me know. Send me an Instagram, a personal message or facebook pm or email me or whatever, reach out to me. Let me know what your thoughts are. I appreciate it. Again, if you don't mind, rate, rate, rate, and review this on itunes and share this. Thanks so much. Have an amazing day and hopefully our paths will cross soon.

Speaker 3:     18:19         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if there's people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this. Share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do that do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 13, 2018

Why Myles Decided to talk to Greg:

Greg Smith is the host the Rise Above Podcast. He is master at mentoring successful entrepreneurs scale their business to new levels. Recently, he helped take a $133,000 ARR business to over $1,850,000 in revenue in the past 11 months. He is a father of three and married to his high school sweetheart of 11 years.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • The morning routine (1:00)
  • Greg’s Story (9:30)
  • Staying Motivated (24:00)

Quotable Moments:

"You have to have somebody teach you the way."

"Go find a mentor, but be coachable and teachable, but most importantly, implement what you learn."

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Finding a mentor who’s path you can follow and mirror is important to succeed quicker.

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Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Hey, what's going on everybody?

Speaker 2:     00:18         And welcome to funnel hacker radio. Today. I have a very special guest on, but you may notice this is a different voice than you're used to today. Dave's voice is very, um, I guess you could say raspy. He was yelling a lot yesterday. We did a funnel hacking live telethon. And so his voice, he's a little under the weather. So I'm taking over today. Hopefully this is close to the standard that he has already set. But today on the show, ladies and Gentlemen, I have Greg Smith. Greg, how you doing man? I'm doing great. Thanks. Miles. So, Greg, I want to start with kind of a different question than you're probably used to getting in that most podcast started off with. So I'm going to come right out the gate. Greg, what is your morning routine?

Speaker 3:     01:02         Oh, you know, uh, it's so funny because this has been something I've, I've really been dialing in. It's so funny you asked this because this has been something for me personally. Uh, growing up, like as a kid, I kid you not, I funny story. I used to sleep in my parents' room because they had TV and no other house, you know, no other room in the house did, but I'd stepped a one or two in the morning like as a five-year-old. Dang. Yeah. I've always been this night house. So for me as an entrepreneur over the past 11, 12 years I've gotten all of my work done primarily from 10:00 on, uh, because that's when my wife goes to bed and then it's just like my time. And as of recently, you know, I have three kids, six, 3:00 AM, you know, 18 months. So I've had to like start becoming a morning person and you know, the biggest thing for me in the morning, number one is, is I have my phone set to where it's on do not disturb mode and I only have like three people, like four.

Speaker 3:     02:05         So I have, you know, my parents, my wife and then uh, a few key business partners and a couple of ventures that I have that can get through to me at all times, but I keep that on do not disturb typically until 10:00 AM. And then I also now with the, the iphone has screen screen limiting like car app limiting and I turned all my apps off except for the ones that I read, um, you know, until 9:00 AM. And that's after I get my stuff done in the morning. I typically read something like I have a rule where I have a non digital morning. I used to just get up, check my emails right away and just like get into the day. And then when I found out is I was, I was always reacting to other people were throwing at me instead of like getting my mind set.

Speaker 3:     02:50         Right. So I typically don't work out in the morning. I'm a Jujitsu guy in the best Jujitsu a simply at nighttime because that's just what other people have the ability to go in. But for me, getting my mind right and reading something a pre Gutenberg like something prior to the printing press, whatever that might be for you is very important to me. So I get that in and I guess some wisdom and then I go on a typically to learn something or read something from, you know, thousands of years ago and then to go into something that I'm kind of hot on a which is marketing or mindset. And then from there I ended up, you know, kind of get thrown into the whirlwind, getting my kids ready for school, getting them off, then coming home. Then I can go into like more of reaction mode. So then my question for you, like when did you really start focusing on the morning routine?

Speaker 3:     03:41         And then there's a second part of this question and I'll ask that as soon as you kind of tell us when you really start focusing. Was it 10 or 11 years ago when you got into entrepreneurship or was it just recently? It's just recently. It was, it was really just within the past year because um, my daughter who's three now, she goes to a pre K and so her and my son Sam, they go to two different schools whereas prior it was just like, it was one school, uh, just for my boy and so my wife was really able to like take him in and kind of do the kid thing by herself and now we kind of both, like she could do it by yourself but it's just easier if we both, like I go to one school, she goes to another and so her doing kinda like Kinda loop.

Speaker 3:     04:24         So just within the past year has been like all about the morning and I don't know if that's just because I'm getting like I don't like mornings. I really don't like I am a night owl. That's, I mean that's just how I am. Like I record my podcasts episodes are typically in between 11 at night midnight. And that's because when, that's when my house is like guaranteed to be quiet because in the morning and you know, you'll find out, you know, being a new dad that in the end you probably have this now asleep. But even if you schedule, you're like, I'm going to wake up at five. Well there's, there's no law that your kid's not going to wake up at 5:15 and just, he's, he's waking up at 4:30 and stayed for two hours. So. Exactly. And then you're just totally thrown off. So it's really been within the past year because my, uh, my wife is asleep wizard.

Speaker 3:     05:09         I mean she has a thing throughout the night, even like at five months, our kids are typically get like five, six hour stints. So now there's your, there's your next funnel right there. Man. I know, I tell her all the time, I'm like, Hey, you know, she's like, ah, I just don't know. Like with the first kid we just thought it was luck. And then with the second kid, we were like, I told her, I was like, if you get the, our daughter Charlotte's asleep the same way you got Sam to sleep and we know like you're good. And then she did it and we're like, Nah, it's just too. And then we had the third one, it happened again and I mean it's literally like she is just, she's so good at it. She has been able to help a lot of our friends do the same thing too. But a lot of it comes down to the mothers, um, personality style and, and, you know, different, different feelings with letting the kid kinda cried out for a little bit. Things like that. So I expect it. I expect to see the funnel pretty. Um, I

Speaker 2:     05:58         did have one question on that. So you said you turn on do not disturb. So for me, I don't do that. I feel like I'm very reactionary even at night and it kind of takes away from, you know, sometimes family time and in the morning it's the first thing I do, I see in like, Oh man, I've got to put out these fires before I go into work. Um, and you mentioned it kind of getting your mind right and getting in that right state of mind. Do you feel by doing the do not disturb that even though like the messages and emails pile up, you're more productive during the day?

Speaker 3:     06:27         One hundred percent. Now let me tell you, because as you're saying that I'm envisioning like your phone in the morning because he's insane. Yeah. It used to be my phone. So let me tell you, the number one productivity hack that I've ever done this in productivity has been. This is actually been something where I'm like, dude, I need to put out a course on this because this has changed my life forever. Um, I have turned off all red notifications on my phone so I don't get my mail APP does not get red badges. My facebook doesn't get red badges. Instagram, my facebook pages app and my email app, they don't, they don't Ding, they don't give me red notifications and what I've also done, which is key because even when you're on do not disturb when you get a text, well I don't know if it's with texts but it will often show on your, on your screen.

Speaker 3:     07:17         You'll see it pop up. Like right now, uh, you know, you and I are talking on a podcast. If I didn't have, do not disturb on and I didn't have what's called banner notifications off, somebody could text me and I could see it and it, it would totally derail my thoughts. And so I also turn that off too. Like just to give a tip. Like you can turn all those things off and go and do not disturb, but you also have to turn off those banner notifications that are popping up on your phone because it's like, it's, it'd be amazing if you couldn't look at it. But like humans, you're just like, Dang, you know, and you look or it pops up and your, your phone, just like, even when your phone's screen just lights up, it's like, you know, Martha, you just look. So,

Speaker 2:     07:59         uh, and then we feel obligated to answer back. Like that's me. I'm like, Oh man, like this came in, I need as entrepreneurs or as employees and is people in general, like we don't want to leave people hanging. So it's like our first thought is I better respond to this. Even if it's 4:00 in the morning while you're feeding the baby or you know, as you're falling asleep, you're like, I better get this done before I hit the sack. So with that, I'm going to try to implement what you just said. I think that's great. Um, I'm going to do it and let you know. And then next time I'm on the podcast with Dave, I'll give an update.

Speaker 3:     08:26         That'd be awesome. I'd love to hear that. And it. And it will. The thing is what you find out. And I found this out, I used to travel a lot and um, we'd go over to Europe and other places where you didn't have the Internet, like legitimately, like 2009, like your cell phone carriers just didn't carry over. If it did, it was expensive and so we had all, like, we're as usually with a bunch of entrepreneurs, you get to the place where you had internet and you'd be like, oh my gosh, you know, I can get to my phone. And then when you find out is there's really not that many important things that happen within a or five hour timeframe that you just can't answer all at once.

Speaker 2:     08:58         I love it, man. I'm going to try to implement that because I agree. I think we overreact like in the instant or in the moment, like when you get back to this right away and in all reality, like people could probably wait a day, two days a week, two weeks. So if everybody out there that's listening, if my response time slows down, it's Greg's fault. Greg, I want to jump into your story. I'm like, you're a two comma club award winner, but we're going to get to that here in a minute. I want to hear about Greg. How'd you get into entrepreneurship? What was kind of that initial push into it and then what has kind of transpired over the last, you know, 10, 11, 12 years?

Speaker 3:     09:39         You know, ironically, I really became like, you know, everybody has a story, like I've always been an entrepreneur and always sold things and you know, that kind of thing. And I did like, you know, I sold like lemon heads and things as a kid, but I really didn't even know what being an entrepreneur was. I just knew like when I was 18 I didn't want to go to college. Yeah, exactly. I did my, my dad. Yeah. My Dad always joked because I always had money for things that I wanted and that was the key. Like I was a bmx or in a rollerblader, like thex games kind of did and I always had money for those things because I would work for it. And frankly I grew up in like kind of a poor middle class family. So I had to pay for my own things and so, you know, I always had that going on, but when I was 18 I had watched my sister go through college and I didn't really know what I wanted to do with my life.

Speaker 3:     10:27         And I thought, man, I'm, I just don't feel right spending money on an education where, you know, I watched my sister, not everybody's like this in college. So, um, but my sister, you know, like took bowling class and clay pottery and I'm like, you know, I'm like, this doesn't make any sense, you know, like, this is absolutely insane. And so I didn't go to college. I was in the pizza industry actually for seven years and I went off and did a bunch of odd, odd end things like bought a box truck for 800 bucks. I was going to have like a used tire business. And then I ended up, uh, the box truck was like a total lemon and I parked it in the middle of, well I won't say where, but I parked it and I never like, I don't even know what happened to it because I'm like this, like it was going to cost more to fix it and to keep it or get rid of it. So long story short, I always wanted something, I didn't know what it was. And then I had a friend approach me about network marketing company and this was when I was 22, I was working third shift and I made really good money at the time. I say really good, but you know, it was $45,000 per year without a college education.

Speaker 2:     11:31         Yeah, that's, I think a lot of people out there, you know, employees, that's a good wage right there actually for a note. No degree.

Speaker 3:     11:38         Yeah. Well, and I was watching all my friends, you know, coming out of school, out of college at that time and they couldn't get jobs in their respective fields that they went to school for. And so I was extremely happy with my job, but not my hours. The third shift, the whole, you know, climbing the corporate to where, you know, for me at that time, like I was in the trucking industry and these guys were 60, 70 years old like they were, they were bleeding it out. And so for me to get a pay raise, I needed somebody to retire, die. Yeah, totally. So, and I've always been a competitor. So for me it was like I want to be able to get rewarded for where my effort, the more effort I put in, the more reward I get. And so as somebody approached me with network marketing and I didn't even know what it was like, I had never heard network marketing, Mlm, direct sales, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3:     12:24         But what I saw was a product that I liked because I tried it, I loved the product I was into is the supplement space and I was a wrestler and I've always worked out and done those things. But more importantly is there was somebody attached to it that was already successful in it that said that they would mentor and teach me. And that was what I had always been lacking in the other like odd and end things that I had tried in the past with somebody to actually kind of hold my hand and mentor me through the process. And it was amazing because with network marketing, I believe you can get mentorship and training to different ways, you know, right now we're in double Comma Club, a x coaching and we pay for that. And it, my goodness just last week was, was one day of that was worth our tuition for the year.

Speaker 3:     13:09         And it's truly like unbelievable. And then the other way is you can earn favor from somebody, right? You can start to get into their good graces by serving them and providing value to them. And through network marketing, you have the opportunity to really do that by being a producer and actually taking things that people teach you and applying it, um, you gain their favorite because those people genuinely, typically like me. I love to coach and teach people as long as they're applying what you're, you're coaching and teaching and so long story man, you know, over 11, 11 and a half years now. That's what I've done. Network marketing relationships, personal growth, success mindset, strategy, like that's been my bread and butter, but that's ultimately what led me to click funnels, you know, after a long time because network marketing, I always tried to figure out how to, how to do it online, you know, I've built my business, you know, primarily I say offline, but we use funnels and stuff for our webinars and stuff like that.

Speaker 3:     14:07         But no advertising, you know. So then what was like your first initial step into click funnels? You said you were trying to get more of an online presence. What was your goal? And then like how did you find out about click funnels? Yeah, so I had um, since 2008, uh, so I started network marketing 2007, 2008. We started building our own boat called team website, like basically a training portals, right? You would come to it and you would get the documents that we have and systems and strategies on building your business and so forth. And so I started building all that, like html kind of stuff, you know, like just, I had to learn how to build websites and then I actually owned a gym for four years and I did a websites through that, um, you know, wordpress and things like that. And so I was familiar with all these different things.

Speaker 3:     14:55         And what happened was, it was, it would have been maybe a little over two years ago. I had a friend. We're trying many different softwares and we came across clickfunnels and this was like version one point. Oh yeah. And it. But it was still, it was still better than everything else out there, you know. And um, I started getting into it and it was amazing. All the stuff that was inside one piece of software and whereas before, you know, I had like 10 different accounts with different things and trying to implement it. So I saw these ability. But what really came, and I was, what I was trying to do at that time with clickfunnels was I was trying to run some ads and different things to a fitness professionals because that's part of my background with the network marketing thing as well, uh, owning a gym for four years.

Speaker 3:     15:45         But I just couldn't quite figure out like what it is that, that was like greg at that point. Like what, what was I sharing? And then I had an opportunity, uh, through learning all of this stuff. I mean, if you look in my office, there's just books and books and books everywhere. And I, I kinda, I relate it to like I had all the knowledge but I didn't have a playground to like get out there and click funnels gave me that playground. But then through a strategic relationship that I had with a couple of John, Michelle Bishop, uh, I was able to plug myself in to something and truly like show the skills that I had because they had a business idea and they were doing, you know, they're done pretty well with it, but they need somebody with the strategy. And the knowhow through click funnels and facebook advertising, Youtube, pre roll ads in those things and they needed that part.

Speaker 3:     16:38         And so we, uh, we actually formed a business and I just told them I had equity in order to do that just because my network marketing company is very successful. So in order to take time away from that and divert it had to be worthwhile. And so what was cool is through what I've, I've learned and the neat thing with click funnels, you know, going back to the mentoring thing is that you can either, you know, either pay for it or you can earn it. But the neat thing about what Russell has set up secrets, expert secrets. And then you know, the final trilogy here, the final book, traffic secrets, when that comes out, he is truly given you, you know, mentoring from far with those books to show you exactly what to do with the software. And you know, if you can implement that and you learn it, it's amazing what happens.

Speaker 3:     17:25         And that's what's been phenomenal with us for the past 10 years of forming that relationship with John and Michelle is what's trending, what happened from the knowledge that I've learned throughout all the years. And we might have to cut this up and turn it into a promotional video and a testimonial video. It's all through it and it's, it's, it really is amazing. You know, the, the traffic event that we just came back to you, it really liked it. Honestly. I felt like it pulled the last 10 years of my life together and really like, even though I'd heard things and I knew them and I knew like little pieces, but the whole strategy and the overall concept that Russell teaches through that. I mean, if you can't build a business with that, I don't know what you're going to build a business with online. I really don't. I mean it's, it's the, to me, it's the end all be all in terms of like step one, two, three, playbook, and then you have the software to do it with

Speaker 2:     18:19         Mike drop seriously. Mic Drop, man. No, I totally agree at that event was unbelievable, right? Like secrets, hey, how to, what you need a funnel for and how it goes, how to get the most out of your customers and then, you know, expert secrets, how to position yourself as the expert and become like the Goto or the guru and then traffic secrets, you know, how to get more customers

Speaker 3:     18:44         [inaudible]

Speaker 2:     18:45         to your product and a man like you mentioned, Russell was mentoring from afar and I think, you know, as people get into those books, implement, start having success, you know, they start moving up the value ladder and everything and try to get closer to that mentorship, right? Sometimes we have to go out and find that person, um, build a relationship with them and Russell's allowing people to do that through his books, through his courses and through as a higher ticket coaching programs. So I have a question for you, Michelle and John, you met them, have ladies edge. Tell us about the funnel. I mean, just so everybody out there listening knows this is a two comma club award winning funnel. They are crushing it. It's a beautiful funnel and the product and the results speak for themselves. So if you want to give us a little insight to that, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 3:     19:31         Yeah, it's been amazing. We, um, so originally Michelle has a background to where she used to do meal plans, you know, a long time ago prior to we actually met through network marketing. I mentored her in that specific business and then her and John got married and so then it was kinda like this mentoree relationship between me and then the both of them. And so we had a history of working together and what had happened was she had a child and a couple different moves and then she wanted to get back into the fitness industry, like, you know, and really share her message and her heart and help women, not just with meal plans but with the entire package, you know, women empowerment, a self love, all of those things that come along with it because that's a big piece of that whole, you know, world really with, with female specifically. So for us, the, the, we originally started out, um, we, we were at a premier price of $97 per month

Speaker 3:     20:22         and so that was December 17th and we are monthly reoccurring. So prior to, um, the bishops and I as they had just done kind of like a one month promo, they would say, hey, let's do a four week bootcamp. And their biggest one at one point it was like 600 people, you know, at $97. So they had had a phenomenal, phenomenal year. I won't get income for that, but we've more than 10 it since we, since we formed our partnership. And really it's just amazing how well we all work together. It's just a true blessing to be in business with great people. And so, uh, we started with $97 per month and what we did is we just transitioned, instead of trying to collect money, you know, once every month we create a continuity based program, which is the background I came from with my, my physical gym, you know, as, hey, let's get them automated and make them cancel.

Speaker 3:     21:15         And it's the best thing for everybody who holds them accountable and helps them get better results in the end and then just as of recently and, and so then we actually go back, we did that, we promote and promote it, and then we started doing like a front end hook to where we'd say $7 for seven days. We let them try us out for seven bucks. And it was a way that we could pre qualify who came in. So instead of just doing free seven days, we're like, because we're at $97 a month, I mean, you know, free seven days and then 97, that's a large jump. Even $7 for seven days in the [inaudible]. Ninety seven was lard jump. However we had a 72 percent trial to conversion rate. Holy Cow. Yeah. So that. So we knew like, all right, we have a winter. And so we built that up and we now call that the sisterhood.

Speaker 3:     22:01         And so we have the sisterhood. And then we had a lifetime membership open for, for a little while in the beginning with, since shut that off, you can't get a lifetime membership anymore. No longer. And we have now have a, a, I want to say lower tier, but lower priced package because we did have a lot of people with the demographic being in between 20 and 35 even though we have up to 60 and 65 year olds in there is phenomenal. And yeah, it's totally cool to see like the different demographics that are within there, just backgrounds and body types and everything is so amazing. The group of women, it's as crazy miles I run like I'm uh, you know, I'm a hunting, you know, fast car driving like a real man's man. Yeah. Like, you know, and uh, I, you know, I'm an, I'm an owner, you know, a partner in this women's right.

Speaker 3:     22:54         But it's amazing to watch what these women have done and like there's no judgment and it's so cool. Like it's, it's absolutely just changing a women inside out, which I know is, for me, I get passionate because I know that helps change the marriage. Yeah, that's really, that's really important to me. I've been married for 11 years, been with my wife for 17 years and so like to see that I think is like the most fulfilling part for me. But anyways, uh, we now have a lower tier and we do a free trial for seven days and then $27. But uh, we, we have kept the premier package called the sisterhood at 97 as well. So, so I think one of the big takeaways for that and that people need to realize is I'm providing value before asking for money. Right? Like, I know you did the $7 to 97, but you are providing them value where they are going to see results or to learn something. And like once they see

Speaker 2:     23:46         the value or see the results, it's like, you know what, this is what I want and that, you know, that's why we do the books. The free plus shipping, right? They're going to get it. They're going to learn, they're going to see the value and then they're that much more likely to sign up for clickfunnels, for, to join the coaching program because they've already seen how much value has been provided at such a low price point. So that $7 to 97 converting at 72 percent is absolutely insane and incredible. Um, so you guys are listening out there and provide value before the big ask. Um, Greg, I do want to ask a couple of questions. Is going to be a little rapid fire, so just, uh, as you can say as much as you want or as little as you want, but here we go. So I kind of already asked you what your morning routine was and you're already crushing it with ladies edge. We'll get to your podcast here before we get off, but you're killing it in network marketing. How do you stay motivated?

Speaker 3:     24:38         That's a great question. You know, for me it's always, it's always, um, I have journals from all of my past, like I keep journals and I've documented like the most emotional moments in that. And typically for me personally, that's changing people's lives through coaching and mentoring and so I always remember who it is that I'm serving in the end result and the feeling that comes from seeing them get that result and I keep them at the forefront of my mind and I have pictures all around my office, like if you know, you had it live, you would see like me with those people and so I keep keep the people in front of me, which was cool to hear a rustle talk about traffic is really people and when you start looking at traffic as the people and providing that value, like you said, that's what really motivates me is to see change in behavior and changing habits. So

Speaker 2:     25:24         dude, perfect answer. Next question then. What has been one of your biggest challenges? So you say you know, you're motivated by impacting people's lives, changing their lives, helping them out. Um, what has been one of your biggest challenges with doing that?

Speaker 3:     25:39         No, man. I'm gonna get a little vulnerable. I'll try. I'll keep it short though.

Speaker 2:     25:44         We love vulnerability. We think that that's important and kind of really helps people connect, right? We're not all on this pedestal. Uh, we've all been through things, so please go ahead. Well,

Speaker 3:     25:56         for me, so I started in network marketing. I've had great success in that. I love it. Like I'm still very active with my team and, and leaders in our organization and I'm absolutely love that side, but I believe that I have a bigger purpose in that I can help more people than ever, ever before with the Internet, you know, the fact is we're the first humans that have access to this thing called the Internet and we've literally touched the lives of almost every human in the world somehow. And so I've been trying to figure out, and this is what, what's been amazing is like I've been trying to figure all this stuff out, like how do I serve people? Like what do I do? Do I create a coaching program? Do I create a mentoring program? Like I still don't have the answer to that, but what I've done is I've been able to use the skills that I've acquired while trying to figure that out to do the ladies edge and that's what's been so neat is because I see my talent there, but then I also know like, you know, I also have another purpose to, to serve outside of that and I'm still really trying to figure that out.

Speaker 3:     26:53         Like what is Greg's funnel? You know, I don't, I don't necessarily have that. I know what I know what I want to do, but I don't have like the specific program lined out for it is really what it comes down to you. So that is still my biggest struggle. And I think the biggest takeaway from that that like as I as I journal about it is for anybody, because I know the clickfunnels community and I'm around it. And the two comma club thing, it's like even if you don't know exactly what you want to do, go help somebody else fulfill their vision. And that's what I've been able to do with Michelle is like help her fulfill her vision and, and I kind of took a back seat because I'm used to having the front seat, like I've spoken in very large stages and helped a lot of people in that sense, but like I've taken a back seat to, to now serve again in a different way to where I can figure out what it is that I want to do. I still don't know. So that's, that's my, you know, that's, that's still it, you know, I'm trying to figure out like how I'm going to serve the world on a bigger scale.

Speaker 2:     27:53         And I think we know that was perfect answer again. Um, but I think we all struggle with that, right? No matter how successful we are, we're always trying to find like one way or another rising something, whether that's our income or the impact or our reach. And so I'm not as a great answer. And so next, when you kind of talked about the gym, the pizza industry, the box truck, where you going to start the tire business. So I don't know how many of those were failures or how many of them just are learning experience, but how many times did you have to fail before succeeding? And then, you know, what are those experiences teach you?

Speaker 3:     28:24         Uh, yeah, there's, there's so many more stories. Unfortunately. So funny. Yeah. The pizza thing was just like my first, like I come from a very industrious town. So I started working when I was 14. I really started working when I was much younger than that. But the pizza was like my first job job that I stuck to for 77 years. And you know, I was actually one of my best friends. Well previous best friends, you know, almost 20 years ago now, uh, told me I was only ever going to amount to being a pizza boy because I didn't because I didn't choose to go to college and um, so anyways, we're no longer friends but um, you know, that always stuck with me and so I kind of had like this, like try to figure it out mentality. And so there were, there was actually like so many different things that I tried to do because at one point I just like, I just want to make money.

Speaker 3:     29:16         Like that was just like, I was like, God, I just want to make money and not have a job like, or a boss and control my life and I really didn't have clarity. And then, you know, through all of those, what I really learned is that you have to have somebody teach you the way. Like I think having a mentor and you can do this through books, right? Like, like we were talking about with Russell's books. Then Russell has other ways you can do at this even more hands on Double Comma Club coaching. Like that's even more intense. And so I think making sure that you're learning from somebody who's already gone through the experience of whatever it is you're trying to do is so important because it can literally raise like two or five or even 10 years of just regret and failures and struggles when you just say, okay, I'm going to do what they say, like the, you know, uh, Kale and talking about Hashtag do what Russell says, it's so important. So I think finding a mentor is so vital and learning and doing. And so that's like my message of life is like go find a mentor, but be coachable and teachable, but most importantly, implement what you learn. Okay.

Speaker 2:     30:24         Awesome man. Thank you for sharing that. Now. Awesome. Now these last two, we're going to end on a little lighthearted. I appreciate you coming in and getting vulnerable and telling your experiences and not just focusing on the successes, right? You're going back and talking about some of the harder things that you went through. And I think that's what, you know, a lot of us need to hear it right? Like we see these people that are having success. Russell and all those guys were like, ah, it's just so easy for them, but there's a story behind it and that was cool about traffic secrets in the week before we had, um, you know, the dry bar comedy where Russell went through all the stories and you saw the struggles that they went through, the literally the, almost being bankrupt and laying people off and you know, everybody goes through those things and I think people need to hear those so they don't get so discouraged and they were like, okay, they went through this, so can I. So I really appreciate you sharing your story. So we'll finish it off with a little light hearted. I'm a food guy. You've seen me. I'm a little bigger around the waist and everything. I love food. What is your favorite food?

Speaker 3:     31:20         Oh goodness. It's donuts. I can put down like six donuts. No problem.

Speaker 2:     31:28         Any certain type like maple chocolate, Maple Bay,

Speaker 3:     31:31         I'm a glaze with chocolate icing or glaze with chocolate icing with cream filled.

Speaker 2:     31:36         Ooh Man, that sounds good. I said, oh goodness. It's lunchtime right now. That sounds good for you. What would be your dream vacation, like kind of the favorite way or favorite place for you to relax and kind of step away for a minute?

Speaker 3:     31:51         Well, it depends, you know, you kind of have vacations that you take solo, which for me are a little mini vacations down to my property where I go hunting, but I am a very relationship focused kind of guy. So I love taking, going to amazing places like my most favorite vacation I've ever been to has been Bora Bora, hands down. But what made Bora Bora, Bora Bora was I was with about 50 people that were entrepreneurs as well and, and we all, you know, are of the same mind and heading in a direction. And so to have that experience with other people I think is, is as amazing. So for me, I love getting out and traveling really anywhere. It's about the company that I'm with.

Speaker 2:     32:35         Awesome. Man. I, I agree. Like I like to get away and relax, but I'm also a little bit of an extrovert. I talk with people. I like building relationships as well and so a kind of feel the same way. If there's not people there with me on vacation, was I really there? Is it really a vacation? So we're going to close this up, but I want people to know where they can find you. Where can they find you on instagram? Tell us about your podcast real quick and they find you on the other social platforms.

Speaker 3:     33:00         But instagram is just the real Greg Smith. Uh, that's my user. And then facebook, I have facebook page is Greg Smith. Hopefully you can find it. There's a lot of spirits, but the best place to find me is rise above podcast. So just started that, uh, were like episode 17 and uh, that's just, you know, I share a lot of really deep stories about catalyst. We only scratched the surface today on some of my past and the struggles and pains to get to where I am and continue to go through. So a rise podcast. That's, that's, uh, that's kind of what I'm putting out right now.

Speaker 2:     33:33         So where can they find that page? It's just rise above Yes. Awesome. So guys go to rise above also. Go on Itunes, subscribe and review the rise of a podcast. Greg. Dude, thank you so much for coming on the show. I know it was kind of a little switcheroo on you instead of having Dave you had me, but I really appreciate you coming on. It was great talking with you. Can't wait to see you at the next event. Everyone out there listening. Go Follow Greg and then also make sure you go subscribe and review this podcast and then let me know how this episode when tell Dave if you want me to ever be back on the show or if you never want me back on the show, let us know. Greg. Thanks man. We will talk to you soon.

Speaker 3:     34:12         See everybody. Thanks miles.

Speaker 4:     34:15         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or, and do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 8, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Shaqir:

Shaqir Hussyin – founder of WealthAcademy, entrepreneur man on a mission. He has founded and created over 10 brands, promotions and companies that he has built to over $1 million dollars each. 2 of them to over $10 million in sales. He has created a hyper responsive profitable list of over 570,000+ subscribers and thousands of clients all over the world, and has personally hosted over 130+ live events, seminars and workshops.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Selling High Tickets (10:00)
  • Conversions (12:00)

Quotable Moments:

"It’s the relationship you have with your list"

Important Links:


Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody welcome back

Speaker 2:     00:18         radio. This is going to be a wild ride. I wish he should actually record the prerecorded and secured. I talk and grab back and forth with each other here, but I've first of all, welcome to the show Mr. Secure who saying chick, you're welcome.

Speaker 3:     00:31         What's going on? Dave? I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 2:     00:34         All for those of you guys who don't know Shakira, this is a guy who's been crushing it for quite some time. He's been able to grow a list of over 600,000 subscribers using funnels. He's built over 10 different businesses that have each done over a million bucks. He's also got to. They're done over 10 million is that he's gone from zero to a million bucks in 30 days. The overall revenues like $30 million disguised. Just been crushing it. The best part though, what I love is this. The guy who is also ran out of money twice as a business guy and understands what it means to be on the highs and the lows right now. He's in the process of kind of changed this company to get some more life freedom. So he's a downsizing from 50 employees down to 18 folks on building them up. And the one thing I want from security is just not willing to sell and that's a domain. But uh, we'll get that out of him later. I think if he was joking, basically saying it's his life insurance policy. So if something goes wrong, he'll tell his family to contact, click funnels and buy the domain from him. But anyways, secure. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3:     01:30         Welcome. I'm excited. Thanks so much. And uh, let's get this show on the road.

Speaker 2:     01:35         All right, so where do you want to start? Should we received this? So for those guys don't know. Shakira was one of our very first affiliates with click funnels way back when, four years ago, and started this whole idea as far as funnels. And one of the things he was complaining to Russell about at the time was, man, if you build software like that, I'm not gonna be able to charge thousands and thousands of dollars to build funnels and you're making it too easy. So with that set, secure, what? How's this whole funnel thing played into your game?

Speaker 3:     01:59         Well, the good news is my funnel, his business is still up and running. I actually had a Webinar that did over one point, $2,000,000, actually a on funnels. It's a mild concept is how do you go from a nobody to becoming a highly paid expert or why like to call? And that's the one of the brands that I'm involved in and I grow every day, which is google. It's essentially how do you take your message and you take the mess in your head and then turning around into a profitable message that attracts your dream clients. And then you can charge premium pricing. Because I run the business when I first got it. Actually, I should tell you where I started. So I started when I was 21 years old. Uh, just like most people, I was in my parents house and I used to um, watch late night TV and there was a guy called Andrew Reynolds and a guy called Bob proctor and they will come on and in the UK there was only one channel it was going to channel and they would talk about all this, you know, Internet marketing, all this law of attraction stuff.

Speaker 3:     03:09         And I was really attracted to it and the reason why I was attracted to it because when I was about 14 years old, I started selling stuff in the markets. I would sell clothes, I'd sell junk, I'd sell electronics. And I knew at that age now I realized and I'm very thankful. God bless my parents. Um, I had a lot of confidence, I guess talking to people a young age. So by the time I was 14, 15, I go to the markets and I would in front of hundreds of people are like, Hey, if you want to go and your mobile phone for say come over and all these, you know, elderly men and women, they would all surround me. And I was doing speeches to them, trying to sell them on back then and I must've been 14, 15, 15 years old, but now at 16 I discovered this thing called Ebay.

Speaker 3:     03:57         And I remember that night it was about 3:00 AM. I thought, man, I'm going to lie. God's going to punish me. God forgives me. I was like, because you have to say confirm are 18 years old. I was just staying up all night thinking, man, if I'm lying and got punished. And anyway, I just went ahead and I did it. Hopefully God forgives me. And so boom, 16, I started selling on Ebay. 16, 17, 18. And I never had a proper job until I worked in a construction company for my dad. So I was 16 to 19 hours, sold all of the junk from my house. And then I realize I'm out of stuff to sell. So I discover that my parents are very well loved in the, in the local neighborhood. So I started literally going door to door knocking on people's house and telling them, Hey, because I had listened to this quote and how it's changed our lives.

Speaker 3:     04:50         And the quote was, one man's trash is another man's treasure and I thought that's it, that's all. And so I would go door to door knocking on my neighbor's house and I'd say, Hey, do you have any trash in your house? Because I'm the guy that complained and I charge zero percent commissions. And they were like, I'd say something like, I'm on my way to becoming an Ebay power seller. So I charge you commission zoning and I don't know, I was young. So by the time I was doing that at 19 or 20, I had gone to an internet marketing event, a one of these seminars and the guys doing the back of clothes. And that was it man. I was like 19, 20 years old and I see this guy get on, there's only 10 people in the room. And he says, this thing is just get up, go to the back of the room. And I just look at the whole room. I had no idea about 2005 was to read. A lot of these guys get up and they go and sign up and I'm thinking to myself, he just made 4,000 pounds in 19 minutes back. I want to be like this guy, and so I'm at university. I'm starting to go there for two years. I'm starting to do a. becoming an investment banker will continue off. Can I. have you been to London before?

Speaker 3:     06:17         I was growing up, especially being an Asian kid. You know, old grandparents will tell their kids go and study and I don't know if you can see, I don't know if you can see that, but is basically canary wharf where all the big buildings and my parents would always say, son, you gotta work hard, get a degree, get a job and you're working up there. So it's cool because now I was beautiful. Three bedroom, penthouse and that's my view. Everyday I wake up the whole city from here. It's really amazing. So I'm going for this phase. I go to these Internet marketing conferences and one day I met a guy, he was, I was 21, he was 27 and he was making 100 grand a day on Click Bank and that's all done because the next day I went home, I told my parents I'm dropping out of university and my mom said, but you know, in our culture, no girl, it's going to mount.

Speaker 3:     07:18         That explains why I have an American wife by the way was important. I didn't get the get the Asian girl. So what happens is, um, I, I say to myself, I'm going to go and figure this stuff out and for nine months I buy everything under the sun. I bury myself in $45,000 worth of debt. And I was at the time 21 years old, I'm the next year I had broken through and made my first six figures. I had an 120 k. The second year I did 275 k and then my third year I hit one point $2,000,000. That was, I was 20. I had just turned 24, 23 or 24 and I just, I called up my dad, I'm like, Dad, you never believed this. I made a million dollars. And he's like, are you sure? I'm like, Dad, trust me, I'm done. I'm a millionaire. And he goes, son, don't tell nobody.

Speaker 3:     08:17         But anyway, that's a. that's a brand person job. So long story short, I go through that phase and I keep doing affiliate marketing, list building, building sales funnels. I'm, and I go into the knack of creating sales funnels, but more importantly, understanding that through each process of the funnel, depending on how you carry out a message, you can appeal to different types of people and different offers. So, you know, I didn't really go through this ascension model, which is, you know, sell a tripwire and you go seven slash 27. No, I just went, how do I set a $10,000 program? And I was very fortunate. God blessed me. Two things happened. One, I tried to click bank the first day, two days I made $15 each. And then I realized this Internet stuff works, but I can't work for 15 bucks if I'm going to do this, I need to make a lot of money.

Speaker 3:     09:17         And so then I come across these guys, call Jane and Aaron, I don't know if you remember these guys back, they used to run a company called carbon copy pro. Oh yeah. Million years ago. And through that they, I learned and I discovered the art of, if you ask people to fill out an application, you get them on the phone, you'll be able to help them with their problems, but then you'll also be able to charge a lot more. And that was my introduction to high ticket and since then I've built up a list which is really amazing. A list of subscribers, a good, uh, so about 600,000 subscribers now. So it's pretty cool. Um, in terms of the clients that I attract. And so now we have the online version where we sell digital courses when we publish lots of digital programs. And then we have the offline version, which is live events, which is guess what is the, to our free event that I went back down to our three events and then we them into a three day program. The three day program sells them into additional three day, five day, seven day programs. Um, and mostly

Speaker 2:     10:26         I'm gonna stop you. I want to kind of go through this because that's one of the things I haven't talked to too many people out on the interview. And that is um, I'm real familiar with this model. You and I were talking about some of the real estate seminars and things. And so if you're selling a high ticket, so the idea here is

Speaker 3:     10:38         you're,

Speaker 2:     10:39         you're basically sending people to a live event at a smaller one to our type of an event.

Speaker 3:     10:44         Yeah.

Speaker 2:     10:46         Okay. And so there at this two hour event as a free event or are they paying to get there?

Speaker 3:     10:51         It's a free event. Sometimes we have like a one time flip bump. Okay. 50 bucks or 100 bucks or something. Oh. Most of the time the focus is just get two hours, get them right into coming to the event. So registering online, did they register online for the event we used the online. The leads are very expensive. It scares a lot of people because if you don't do it right, you can lose your shirt. Like I've done many times over a specific campaign. However, once you kinda Dolly in, there's a lot of moving components, but one, one of the fastest ways I know how to turn $50,000 into 250 k in less than a month. And that's one of the reasons why what we've done, you know, over 100 live events.

Speaker 2:     11:40         I want to go through this. This is awesome. I love this fascinating stuff. I'm real familiar. This model, so basically I'm and the real estate stuff, we used to do it either through direct mail or through radio ads, even tv ads and stuff, driving people to a free event. So they go to the free event. You're doing it

Speaker 3:     11:54         online, so they're registering online with an upsale to get to the free events to our event. And then the speaker there is selling them to sign up for what and three day event and usually, I mean not now, but a couple of years ago I would be the three ds speaker. Well now I have two guys and a little bit older than me. And then one is the motor again, which always helps. And other one is a British, which always helps. Trust me. You know, the, the white speaker gets a lot more conversions than you told me to keep it real. So I'm this, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3:     12:37         Tell me, what are the conversions from. Let's say you've got 100 people in that first event, what's the conversions to get to the next one? So what we will do is you would in for at least a thousand registrations, so thousand registrations at 50 bucks a pop is about $50,000. That's from $50,000. We'll get a thousand people and we'll give 30 percent are people that will register to show up. So you're looking at about 300 people saying that they're going to show up. Unfortunately they don't all show up. So you have to have text messaging, facebook chat, someone calling them up, emailing them, text reminders, uh, there's a whole process in place where we follow up with them and then we take them with bribes. Hey, come and pick up one of my books or something away, a DVD or something, income hacks DVD. And so then we have from 300 people would have about 150 to 200 actually show up.

Speaker 3:     13:35         So you're looking at about 10 to 15 percent of people actually showing up. And then let's just say we have 200 people show up at 20 percent conversion rate. You're looking at, what is it like 40 buying and 40 bus, 40 buying units. Is that a good number? Because you know on the back end people minimum could be worth at least. And I, when I talk about people can be worth this much money. I'm only talking from a logical thought. Obviously they're human beings. Obviously we are buying it. It has a value by news. Got Dollar Man. So first of all, how many of those are you going to close? So you've, you've closed bout 20 percent 40 people, how much they pay in at the board. They are anywhere from $500 bucks to $2,000. Dollars is to have a lunch with the speakers and the crew and it's really amazing because we have a really high uptake on the people that would pay a premium and so we kind of know someone that is not a filter is not kind of making a fuss for paying 2000 bucks, they're going to be the person that upgrades at the live event.

Speaker 3:     14:46         So we have a group of people that will pay 500 bucks. Then we have a group of people that will pay 1500 to two grand depending on what country you, you're in something like Canada and we're doing Montreal and Vancouver will say we'll pay for your flight. So uh, if they're in one tool will say hey, you pay two grand and you will pay for your flight to come to Toronto. So a lot of the times. Yeah. So I mean we would, it depends on who the speaker is at that time. They will come up with creative ways to serve that customer by selling them into our programs. What's the three day event? We add a tremendous amount of value and then we used to do, you know, when I was younger, I guess when I was really young, only two, three years ago, we used to go to the back of grandma, a little bit of a hard server.

Speaker 3:     15:38         Now we've kind of, um, we've changed the methods and it's very simple. We offer a bunch of programs on stage and then we say, if you're interested then go and request an interview with one of our team members. If you like, what you see, upgrade. If no, don't play alone, don't play your home mortgage, don't like 10 credit cards. So I have to do that because of a religious belief, right? So for me, it's like if you can't afford our programs, don't worry. Like I've been around for the last seven, eight years, I plan to be around for the next 10 years. When you're ready, come one, what's the price point you're selling at that three day event? Then a bad event. It goes from 3000 to 10,000 to $40,000. It really depends. Yeah, three, 10, 40. Those are core offers. That's awesome. So how large are those?

Speaker 3:     16:34         So you've got typically you have theater events where you've got these 40 people. How, how large is your actual three day event? So those are very small. We found 40 to 50 is your id because if you have 40 and then you do a plus one, three guests, which is what we have to do. The reason is because we offer a high ticket programs and they will make educated purchasing decision if they don't have someone there like their spouse, girlfriend, whatever. So we will offer a free ticket for the past one to come in and we want to keep the room from 40 to 60. Forty to 60 is very containable. If you have 80 plus it gets really messy. If you have like less than 20, it doesn't usually work. So what we found is fortifying heads tend to 20 guests, maximum 60 in a room is perfect and they're selling what you're selling.

Speaker 3:     17:20         Wealth Academy was certainly worth academy products and services, so they usually digital, there's no affiliate program involved, so there's no vibe. So you can promote now that we just saying, hey, if you don't have a business, we'll show you how to set up a business and if you have a business we'll show you how to grow it and if you have the money then you can come and join shacks coaching program, which is $40,000 a year and I have over 100 people in that group. So that's, that's pretty much the model. That's awesome. So when you're looking at a large event like that, um, what's the typical breakdown as far as how many? By the three? The 10 and the 40 a. So usually we would get at least look, I just didn't want even last week, two weeks ago in London, we had 35 people in the room when I'm in London or when I'm in a country because I traveled alone when I'm in a country.

Speaker 3:     18:15         Then I just pop into the event. So there was one of my speaker, he's running the whole show. Why? It just popped in, said Hi. Hello. I did one, one or two key notes on funnels and usually they do the whole pitch or whatever, but we had a three people, three people by the 40 k plus programs and then we had maybe four people by the 10 K and then we had a whole range of people buying the three k and you know what it was really cool. Oh my gosh. I gotta tell you this. This is like I, I emailed my list everyday, seven days a week, you know, I, I send an email everyday and I've been doing that for the last five years. Okay. So I emailed every single day. There's no days I take off and back in 2010. December 2010. I had sent an email, I will.

Speaker 3:     19:08         Here's why. Did you have much money? So I bought traffic from twitter, from twitter, from fiverr. So I spent five bucks. I remember the stats like yesterday, this is no lie. I spending five bucks abandoned. This person sent you all over twitter. I go 40 clicks, 12 leads to sales. One Guy Julian gearing. Okay. I talk about him all the time that Julian, gary, he buys, he comes through that twitter, the $5 funnel or whatever. $5. Okay. And he buys a $10,000 program that I was promoting. Whoa, dude, this was back in. Was it? This was like eight years ago, seven, eight, seven, eight years ago. Two thousand and 10, so eight years ago, two weeks, two, three weeks ago he flew down to London. I never been awesome. It flew down to London from Thailand and then he decided, check, I've followed your work for so long, like you're the real deal.

Speaker 3:     20:08         I tried all this other stuff. He has worked. Boom, you buys a 40 grand program. That circle. That's honest. It's why we tell people all the time, it's the relationship you have with that list and as long as you providing value to these people on a regular basis, it's not just having people on a list, it's the relationship, it's how they engage with you and I know you. You're engaging with your list all the time. Jack. That's so, so that was a follow up. Nothing. You know, one of my previous mentors is no longer part of this industry anymore. He had built a substantial business and he would always tell, you know, this was like four or five years ago. He told me the concept of just outspend everyone and the reason why you can spend it on is because you're the person that's thinking longterm and they're not. Unfortunately, things changed for him, so he had to take an early retirement.

Speaker 3:     20:59         You know, those lessons have stuck with me. So again, thinking longterm has paid off very well. I love it. You got gotta close to wrapping things up here. What other words have. So first of all, people want to find out more about your work and they go wealth academy, both academy dot Com. That's basically where I'm at. Uh, we do a lot of live events. I guess that's one of the reasons why we talked about using funnels and live events and we actually teach our clients as well on how to set up their own live events where they can do to our free events. They can set their own mastermind coaching program, whatever. So one of the Academy Dot Com, uh, that's the main core side. I also have a blog,, that's s h a Would you go to any of those two sides and join my list or you joined the list, you'll get an email a day of your life.

Speaker 3:     21:50         So I'm very proud of that because I've been consistent with that. And so I mean the emails that I done well and so I really appreciate the fact that we did this interview. It's been, it's been great to talk to you and the chat that we had prior to this as well. So I do appreciate, um, you know, one thing I would attend all of the students which is our listeners appliance and everyone that's listening to this is I was teaching my students this concept of reach out and reach up and I said, you know, when you find people that you look up to you, that you appreciate that I've been in the industry that have more wisdom that's smarter than you, then reach up and reach out to them. And so, and I said to them, I'm going to do this interview with Dave Woodward is actually interviewing me as soon as the interview is finished. I'm going to ask him. Hey, can I interview you? Yes you can. I'd be honored. I'd love to have you on my podcast. Shakira's in show is going to be exciting. I appreciate it. And we'll catch up soon dave. Thanks Jack. Well Dr. Alright, peace.

Speaker 4:     22:55         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate Review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and, and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people like me to interview. I'm more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 6, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Yara:

Yara got her start in online business as a Relationship Coach, but as I worked with couples in strained relationships, she discovered something she just couldn’t ignore... Most relationships struggle because of BAD communication.  She became obsessed with figuring out what makes someone a GREAT communicator, and realized that a simple shift in the way we communication with each other can dramatically repair and build—not just personal relationships, but entire businesses.   As it turns out, the same is true for Entrepreneurs. Most entrepreneurs struggle in business because of BAD communication with their customers and audience.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Giving the reader the win (8:00)
  • Encouraging the reply (11:00)
  • Being vulnerable (15:00)
  • The 6 Steps story selling framework (20:00)

Quotable Moments:

"It’s interesting what happens when you start treating people like people."

"Stop using your list like a booty call."



Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward.

Speaker 2:     00:17         Hey everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I am so excited today. I have the opportunity to have a dear friend on the show and it's been. I've had the opposite. I've seen her go through this change and metamorphosis and she's crushing it right now. I want to welcome to the show, Yada Golden. Thank you for coming.

Speaker 3:     00:30         Oh my gosh. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 2:     00:33         I am so excited. Now. What for those you guys who don't know Jada, she's actually going to be speaking at hacking live. So if you don't have your tickets, you want to go right now to funnel hacking Buy Your tickets, make sure you're there so you can actually see her speaking onstage. This is such an exciting thing for us. Um, so for those of you who aren't familiar with Jada, she actually got her start as a business, as a business and relationship coach online. But I'm sorry, you were more of a relationship coach online and in doing it it was. I remember when you were an inner circle, you're like, ah, I'm kind of dealing with it, trying to save or get people out of bad relationships. And it was kind of a weird situation, but as we were just talking offline, you have the opportunity of reaching this Aha.

Speaker 2:     01:17         That's the most important thing is communication and you've come, you've found this crazy ability and it's just be honest, probably one of the best email writers out there right now of being able to craft story selling into, into emails that actually touch the heart in a really weird way that most marketers would never even think of. So we're going to dive right into this whole story selling communication piece. But again, if you haven't seen Yada, check her out at Yada Golden. That's why a r a, G O, l d e n Dot Com. And again, make sure you go to funnel hacking, get your tickets are gonna. Want to see her live on stage because of the value she's going to drop. You're just a few minutes. So would that Jada wanting to kind of just dive right into this whole communication thing a and I been talking right about this whole idea that, you know, for a lot of entrepreneurs it's like, oh I've got to send another email and you try to crank it out real fast and you don't really realize that what you're talking to is actual people on the other side and you missed the communication and people get frustrated that their emails don't convert and you've got this crazy ability to do it.

Speaker 2:     02:19         I know Jamie Cross is one of the first ones that I remember you working with. I don't know if she was your first client, but if you don't mind, tell people a little bit about what you've done for them and how it's working and why the story stuff is so important to you.

Speaker 3:     02:30         Yeah, absolutely. Well thanks for that awesome introduction and uh, yeah. If you haven't gotten your ticket for funnel hacking live, make sure you do it because it's going to be the first time that I'm actually speaking on stage and I am just as excited as I am nervous. Like when Russell asked me, I was like, I want to throw up and I want to like scream it from the mountaintops so that should be fun. I'm Jamie Cross was in fact my first client. She is actually one of the, she's actually the main reason I should say why I got into writing, which is what I'm doing now. Um, she approached me in January. She's just like, Hey, I love all this stuff that you write on facebook. Every single piece of content that you put out there. She's like, have you ever considered writing for somebody else? And at the time I had it. It was just my means of communicating with my audience was long form copy.

Speaker 3:     03:20         Um, and so I gave it a shot. I was like, Hey, I'll try it. And so I wrote for her and her audience just ate it up. And what I was doing really was telling the story of how she created her company and why she was so passionate about the products that she was putting out there, like why it was necessary for her to create these products. And so we just started telling the story of her growing up and her father and her children and how all of this kind of came to be. And a really interesting thing happened. Her audience started opening the emails more than they ever had and it became really, really easy to identify what a topics, let's say were important, were resonating with them, what parts of Jamie's story they resonated with. And what was cool that we were able to do with those is that we were able to take the, the, the front runners, the winning emails and turn those into facebook retargeting ads because now we knew that they resonated with the right people, right? The quote unquote right people. And

Speaker 2:     04:22         for context, I want people to understand what Jamie's businesses. That's the crazy part is the type of business. This is not the type of normal business. You expect emails to have any impact on at all, so if you don't mind just give a little context here as far as what type of business Jimmy had and why her stories were so magnanimous in conversion because of your

Speaker 3:     04:42         content. Yeah, absolutely. So Jamie Cross owns Mig soap and body and they sell organic soap. They do a organic skin lotions and face products and all kinds of amazing products, which if you haven't checked out, you definitely should add Mig, I believe. And so we were telling all these stories about how she was going wild crafting and finding these herbs and putting them in these lotion bars that are helping people overcome things like Eczema and psoriasis and skin conditions of all sorts. And so we started telling those stories and like I said, the front runners became really, really easy to identify and I believe one of the coolest stats that we have out of that campaign was that we took one of one of those emails which talked about her faith, right? How much faith she had and she had asked God for a sign and we took that story, put it on facebook, and I think her cost per acquisition, if I'm not mistaken, went from like $60 dollars per person down to like $3 and eighty four cents, which was just unreal.

Speaker 3:     05:45         Right? And, and the. And the other beautiful thing is that every story email that we sent out for her on the back end was making between a thousand and $1,500. Right? And so you're giving something, you're giving your readers, you're giving your audience something that they can connect with, something that they can be a part of, which is something that Russell is amazing at doing to. Right. Whenever he puts on an event or whenever he has a launch, he gives ownership of that thing to the audience, right? He gives it to the funnel hackers. He's like, hey guys, this is what we're doing. Like we need your help and we need you to show up and here's the t shirt and like this is the date and here's the website and here's a cool video. And he gives it to the audience, which allows them to become a part of something bigger than themselves. And you can do that around anything you can do that. I run a coaching product. You can do that around an ecommerce product, you can do that around an info product. It's just a matter of creating and crafting that story and then giving it over to the audience.

Speaker 2:     06:43         You've done such an amazing job, especially with Jamie story of helping her blossom as this attractive character. And I think that when you're connecting with people and the reason I love her stories because it's a physical product, and so often people think of email as well, I'm just selling an info product. She's selling a physical, tangible product. And the key there for me is I've taken a look at what you've written is you have this crazy ability to draw someone in so deep that they're literally waiting with bated breath for the next email. It's like, oh please, where's the rest of the story here? There's got to be a push. I want to see the next one right now.

Speaker 3:     07:21         How do I do that? Kind of like an innate ability like my, my way of moving through the world is through feeling right, like I want to feel all of the things and that that range of human emotion is just huge. Right? And so when I can wrap words around the emotion or the experience that somebody that's like, that's my, that's my gift, right? It's, it's being able to say, oh, I see how excited you are about this thing. Let me make sure that, that I can convey that to the audience. And so that comes with adding detail. It comes with really getting the story out of the entrepreneur and then conveyed to the audience like this is, this is why this is important, but also following Russell's kind of epiphany bridge story and saying, you know, they're on this side of the bridge right now and they don't understand why this is important or what's happening.

Speaker 3:     08:25         So let us tell them a story that helps them understand. And on the other side of that, one of my favorite things to do is to give the reader the win. So I never sit there as the glue on the top of the mountain saying, and that's why blah blah blah, blah, blah. You know, like, I don't want to be the teacher. I want to be appear. I want to be shoulder to shoulder with them and say, I know that you know this because I just told you this story. So you understand now you like where we get this together. Right? And it's amazing to see what happens because then you them an opportunity. So the call to action in most of my emails is, Hey, just hit reply and let me know if this resonated with you. Let me know if you've ever had an experience like this in your life.

Speaker 3:     09:05         Is this something that you're struggling with? Why don't you go ahead and let me know. My team and I are here to help. So it's a very, very open door and it creates a feedback loop between you and your audience. Like this is what people are missing with the broadcast emails or with the followup sequences that they're sending out. Is that all of the emails that I send out our broadcasts and what that creates is a couple things. It creates a perpetual ask campaign with your audience because you have your finger on the pulse of like, Hey, this is resonating, this isn't, this is what they need, this is what they're asking for. Right? It also allows you to create an audience selected indoctrination sequence because once you have enough email sent out and you know which ones are the winners, you can simply convince those to the very beginning of your indoctrination sequence and you know that there is going to resonate with the right people because your audience who's purchasing from you already have selected those as the winners.

Speaker 3:     09:59         Right? And the third thing is that, like I said, it is a feedback loop. Like you know what's going on with your audience and you know, I don't think that. I don't think that that will ever be a bad thing to have. Right? Like so many, so many marketers have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars creating these lists only to ignore them. Right? And that's like, that's where your money is made, but I feel like people are scared to talk to them because they're like, if I say the wrong thing, they're going to go, but then leaving your list and you not talking to them, it's pretty much the same thing. It's getting you the same result. Right? So you may as well say the damn thing and see what happens.

Speaker 2:     10:40         I think you're one of the few email marketers I know that actually encourages people to reply. I mean, I honestly, I remember the first time they can wait a second if I reply, where's that really going to go? Someone asked me that is. I mean because most of the time when we send out broadcasts, it's, you know, buy my stuff, go take a look at this or stay tuned for the next thing. And there's really no true communication and that's one of things you really, really great at, Yada, is that ability to communicate with a huge list. I mean it's not like Jamie's only got five people on our list. I mean, she's got a very, very large list he's built and encouraging someone to reply. How do you handle all of them?

Speaker 3:     11:16         Yeah, I think that that's really on the business owner. I have a part in that, but I do warn them ahead of time. I think we, uh, we sent out, I was writing from Mike Schmidt for awhile and he has a digital marketing agency, right? Who helps other digital marketing agencies kind of grow their businesses and he also services his own clients. And I told him, I said, you're going to get replies. And I wrote one email and in 45, in the first 45 minutes from sending it out, he had 75 replies messaged me. He met me in a panic and he's like, they're replying. And I was like, I told you, they were gonna reply. He's like, well, what do I do? And I was like, solving some big.

Speaker 3:     11:57         And that was when it really became clear to me that we were in an ask campaign because the topic of the email wasn't actually a service that they provided, but his list went crazy over it. And I was like, well, just create that for them, right? Like you can't, you have the ability to offer that, so just create it. And so it's just a really interesting thing. You do have to be set up on the back end to receive those replies, um, and to be able to sell them something because I believe that when somebody replies, they're raising their hand and saying, Hey, I'm interested in what you just said. And so now it's the responsibility of the entrepreneur on the back end to say, okay, I understand that you're interested. Let me, let me convert that interest into a sale.

Speaker 2:     12:39         I love it. I think that's the part that people miss in the whole idea as far as email as a means of communication. It's really one of the ways that we start seeing a lot more emails getting opened, a lot more engagement on a lot of our social posts. You never talking beforehand about some of the things Rachel Peterson was doing them with regard to engagement. And the whole idea here is you wanting. Everyone talks about engagement on social platforms, but they never talked about engagement in an email campaign. I think it's one of the things you've done such a great job about doing is is increasing that engagement to where now all of a sudden that client feels like you as the business owner over your clients, as the business owner are actually interested in their success. They're interested in their feedback. They want to see what the next step is for them. How can, how can we help you? Which usually is just kind of given us, Oh yeah, I'm, I'm here to help you have better. I'm really not as to sell you stuff.

Speaker 3:     13:28         Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And people feel that, right? And people know that the entrepreneur, like the CEO of the company isn't sitting down every single day at their desk typing out an email to you. We would love to feel like, Hey, this is Russell's writing specifically to Yada, but it's not happening. You know? And so I think one of the things I've done is I've completely removed the first name. Like I know everybody loves Hashtag first name, right? First name, last name, and I'm like, stop it, respect your reader, like we know that you're not actually writing to us. Just, um, one of the things about the replies, so that I would, that I will say is that when you get replies from an email list, your deliverability goes up to, right? So this works on so many levels because now people are replying to a list that means that they want your email, you know?

Speaker 3:     14:22         So it's, yeah, it's really, really interesting what happens when you actually start treating people like people and you actually do what you say you're going to do by being there and helping them and answering their questions. And this can create your lead magnets for you, right? This can create your next product for you. This can, this can create so many things for you if you just utilize it the right way. And I think that one of the things that a lot of people are scared of is will. If I tell my story, people aren't going to like me or they're gonna leave my list or you know, they're not going to buy from me. And I think it's quite the opposite. I think that when we share the struggles that we're having, like no matter what level of success we're having, like there's still struggles, right?

Speaker 3:     15:06         There's still problems, there's still challenges and that doesn't mean that they're necessarily bad, but most of the people who follow you, they follow you because they see you as somebody that they'd like to follow in their footsteps that they'd Sunday, like to be like or have the results that they have. And so that means that they're somewhere on the path of the journey that you've already been on. Right in Russell says like, you only have to be a couple of steps ahead of somebody in order to inspire them or to motivate them or to be able to help them. And so being willing to be vulnerable and share those steps is what causes those people to come closer. Right? And so that's what your story does. It invites people in and says, Hey, let's sit down and want to tell you the story of how I got to where I am and everything that I've had to face on the road here, and hopefully that can be helpful for you and when you help them in the process of them becoming, you are the natural solution to their problem.

Speaker 2:     16:02         Oh, I love that. I think it's. It's funny. I was talking with Andrew Warner Interviewing Russell just two days ago down in Provo, Utah. Items Fascinating. He did a podcast with Pat Flynn and pat was interviewing him on. Andrea has this crazy ability to interview people and get just. It's probably one of the best. I wish I was more like, can I

Speaker 3:     16:21         them?

Speaker 2:     16:23         He actually, he gets every emotion out of it. It's the weirdest thing, but one of the main things he said was that he found the best way to get someone to become vulnerable, honest podcast was for him to start off being vulnerable, which I thought was really fascinating because usually people, especially on a podcast, if you're interviewing ceos and everything else, it's everybody's posturing. You know? Wait a second, who's who's taking the lead here? And it was fascinating as I was sitting there talking to him, he says, yet I. I learned that actually from reading how to win, how to influence when friends basically, and his whole idea behind that was the more vulnerable he was at the beginning. It almost, it wasn't self deprecating, it was just as being transparent and as he reached out that way at first that the interviewee wasn't real quick to be vulnerable right there, but they saw later on in the interview that it became much more open and much more vulnerable because of his transparency and I think I see the same thing in the stuff that you, right where you have this ability to, to be vulnerable but at the same time to let them know that I've been through it and I can still take you to where you want to go.

Speaker 3:     17:29         Yeah, no, and he is spot on about the vulnerability. I think that one of the things that people get backwards about vulnerability is that we're like, okay, well we'll be vulnerable once we see them be vulnerable and you get to go first. I know that if it doesn't, it's not what you want to hear, but you get to go first. And so if I come on here and I'm just like, Hey Dave, you know, this is like. I mean, I kind of did it in the beginning of the interview. I was just like, hey guys, if you haven't bought your ticket to funnel hacking live, go ahead and do it because it's the first time I'm going to get on stage and I'm just as nervous as I am excited about it. Right? Like that was, that was honest and authentic. But it's also a very vulnerable share if you think about it.

Speaker 3:     18:11         So, so what that does is that it's not, um, it's not a calculated, but it invokes the law of reciprocity. So as the conversation continues, as the weeks and months go by and people actually get to funnel hacking live who listened to this, they'll be like, oh, that's that Jada girl. She was really nervous about getting on stage. You know, maybe maybe I'll have people come up to me and say, hey, you did a great job. Like I listened to that podcast episode where you were nervous, you know what I mean? But it opens them up. And so as a service provider or as a course creator or as an ecommerce like widget creator, right? Or peddler of widgets. I guess when you say those things when you open up and you're just like, man, like I have this great idea and I'm not sure if it's gonna work or not, but like I want to just throw it out there and see what happens or you know, this is something that I can help you with because I've gone through it myself. Can you tell them those stories? The thing that you're going to get back is like, oh my gosh, I've been dealing with that too. Or I had no idea that there was somebody out there that was just like me. Right. One of the most powerful things that you can say to another human being when they're going through something is, me too. I've been there too. I felt that way too, and it just creates an instant bond and it's. It's intimacy, it's honest, it's real, it's raw, and that's where relationships are built.

Speaker 2:     19:31         I love that. Such a difference between empathy and sympathy. Yeah. The more empathetic you can truly be an come across transparently, man, it's so much easier for a person to go, you know what, I, I can connect with you now. I get you and because you're getting me in and we connected and that emotional level. So I think that's just amazing. Well, I know that one of things we were talking about was you've put together six different steps to storytelling or what's.

Speaker 3:     19:55         I did know the details of how all that works. I did. So I created my own lead magnet. It's my first one. I'm super excited about it and as of this podcast, it's not actually up, but by the time you go live it will and it's called the six steps to story, story selling framework. And I basically, you know, as a creative, I was just like, there's no way that I can ever duplicate this. I'm the only person that can do this and having so many a left or right left brain thinkers, the logical people around me, they were just like, you can do it. So as I was writing, I started just kind of. I kept a notebook by my side and I thought, you know, every time I do something over and over again, I'm going to write it down. And so I came up with these six steps and I already mentioned one of them, which is to drop the first name, right? Like you want to assume familiarity, but that will excuse me. That will be up on my website, Yadda And you guys can find it there and you know, it's something that you can literally have next to you while you're writing that will help you create that story selling type of email and hopefully connect with your audience better.

Speaker 3:     21:09         What are the other six? So we want to make sure, uh, I think we talked about giving your audience or your reader the win. Um, so I'll just walk you guys through. We can do it really quickly here. So our first step is assuming familiarity, right? That's, that means that you're going to drop the first names. You're gonna start using contractions in your copy. Um, and there's no salutation. So I don't do a hey, happy Monday, like no, nothing. You just go straight into the story. A number two is creating a curiosity based pattern interrupt. And so that would be your headline, your subject line. You want to create something that they're going to cut through the noise of their inbox because there's just a ton of white noise static. If you want to be something that's like what? Like what did that say? A number three is you want to hook them immediately, so if you think of movies that start in the chase scene or the bank robbery, but you don't know who any of the characters are, you don't know what's going on. They just drop you in there and you're like, wow, hydroma. Right? So that's what you want to do. You want to hook them immediately. Number four is you want to guide our. Sorry. Uh, yeah. You're going to guide their epiphany. So you're going to fill in the story. Now you're going to be like, okay, this,

Speaker 2:     22:25         this is one of the things I really like it because I think too often people think you're just going to, they're going to get the epiphany by themselves and you've got this crazy ability to guide them. So keep going on this whole guidance.

Speaker 3:     22:36         Yeah. So you're going to fill in the details. So now you've started with high drama. You're just like, hey, there was a bank robbery and now I need to take you back to where it was all being planned and what happened and who was involved and why it's important, right? Why? What, what's the outcome that they're trying to achieve by doing this thing? Right? So we're filling in the details and at the end of that they're going to understand and so the fifth step is to literally give them the wind. So you're like, so as you know right now, you're just going to assume that they got it. You're never going to posture and be like, because I just told you all these things, or I just explained to you, blah, blah, blah. Right? Like you're going to actually sit back, be a normal person and let them have the win. And then the sixth step is literally just asking them to tell you about it. Did you learn something? Have you ever experienced something like this in your life? Are you experiencing something like that? Do you have something to share with me? Go ahead and hit reply. Right? And what's really cool about this?

Speaker 3:     23:35         Are you serious? You're like, no, don't reply please. And I think most of the companies that I'm working with are, are, have a big enough size that they have a customer service. Uh, you know, uh, I guess people that can kind of feel these,

Speaker 2:     23:53         but I think even if you're small, it's still so important. I mean hearing like right now we just hired a person is going to be head of our head of our speaker team. I'm working with NFL head of our sales and the very first thing Robbie wanted to do is as our head of our sales was, you wanted to get on the phone with people who are leaving clickfunnels and find out why. And I thought, you know, we've been for like four years now and no one's called, people have left, asked him why. That's probably a good thing to find out.

Speaker 3:     24:18         Sure. It's just, it's such great feedback, you know. And, and I have, um, I'm actually going through a Beta launch of a six week course that I'm putting together based on this framework. And one of the girls were in week two, she sent out an email to her list. She's like, I sit down to story selling email to my list and I sold $397 products and I had to unsubscribes, but I had more engagement than I ever had from my list. There you go. It's a win. Do you know what I mean? Like is the people that don't resonate with you are going to leave the people who do are going to come closer and you're just finding information out from your people. So it's good. It's not scary, Dave. I promise

Speaker 2:     24:56         I love it, Yada, Yada. Any parting words before we let you go?

Speaker 3:     24:59         Oh Man. I think my favorite thing to tell people lately is stop using your list like a booty call. Don't email them only when you want to sell them something, right? Like build an actual relationship. It'll be longer lasting.

Speaker 2:     25:15         I promise. Maybe that'll be the headline of the episode. Stop using your list as a booty call. Glad I can make you again. I appreciate your friendship and love having you on. Thank you so much again. So where can people go to get those six steps?

Speaker 3:     25:35         Uh, yeah. You can go to Jada, it's y a r a g o l d e n Dot com and because it's not up yet, I don't know exactly where it will be, but you'll be able to find it.

Speaker 2:     25:45         Awesome. And again, make sure you go to funnel hack You want to make sure you're there to see Jada onstage for the first time and we're super excited to have her. So again, thanks so much for your time today. Appreciate your friendship and we'll talk real soon. Okay, thanks Dave.

Speaker 4:     26:01         Okay. Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, please just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to itunes rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do that do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Nov 1, 2018

Dave unravels the truth about the theory “Practice makes Perfect” and explains how this is not always the case.  If you are practicing bad habits, you will never achieve perfection. Accountability and coaching are both very important tools to use in achieving goals and seeing results.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Taking massive action (0:45)
  • The importance of a coach (1:20)
  • Tweaking the form (3:30)

Quotable Moments:

"Practice makes permanent"

"Little tiny changes and tweaks make massive massive differences"

"The best investment is in you personally"



Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward

Speaker 2:     00:17       [inaudible]. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. I'm your host Dave Woodward. And this is a crazy topic that people, uh, hit me up on all the time. That is, I keep doing. I keep practicing, practicing, practicing, doing everything right, but I just can't. I'm not getting better at it. What's wrong? Let me just tell you what's wrong. So the key here is the old saint as far as practice makes perfect, is wrong. So practice does not make perfect what practice it actually does make his practice makes permanent. So if what you're practicing is bad form and bag techniques and, and bad copy, you're going to make that. You're going to make that permanent. You're going to have bad form, you're going to have bad copy your. And so understand. I'm a huge believer in the fact that yes, you always want to make sure that you're taking massive action and that you're practicing and doing everything.

Speaker 2:     01:02       Don't get me wrong on this, so take massive action, but the key to taking massive action is you've got to make sure that you're making changes. Too often people take massive action and they're taking all this action, but they never look at the results they're getting and it never tweaking and changing that to get to where they need to go. This is why I'm such a huge believer in having, in hiring coaches are currently. I've got two different coaches. I'm actually three different coaches, one for my finances, another one for getting me in shape. Finally. And the third one actually is for my business and personal life. So it's been interesting. All of my, uh, anytime I've ever had a coach, they've always talked so much about the importance of form. So Eric cafferty is the guy who literally beats me up at. I get up at 4:30 in the morning, 4:00 every morning.

Speaker 2:     01:48       I'm sorry, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, not the gym at 5:00, at Russell's gym there, and he acts. Rustled actually comes and works out with Eric the next hour at six and it's kind of crazy because what I've realized is I've, I've never really been big into lifting weights. I've always tried to kind of keep in shape, but I've never been in the gym, has never been something that, uh, if you look at me, I don't have, I don't look like Arnold at all. Uh, but the key here is I'm want to get back in shape and I want to be in better, in better shape because I know the impact of health has on my business life, my emotional life, my family life, my relationship, all that kind of stuff. It's just a huge, huge, important part of my life. And what I've realized is I wanted to hire a coach because I wanted to get the correct form.

Speaker 2:     02:35       The reason I say that is what I've seen happen for, for me is I'll go in the gym and it becomes all of a sudden this testosterone infusion here because I've got A. I'm typically in there with my boys, so I've got four boys, my oldest chandler, 22 parker's 20 Christians, 17 in Jackson's 15 and all of them were blessed with these Adonis Greek Life God bodies where they literally just look at a weight and they just. Their shoulders pump up there just pumps up. I'm like, this is so unfair. It takes me 10,000 times the amount of effort to get any attempt of the results of these guys get, but needless to say, being the dad, I cannot ever admit defeat and so I've been in the gym many times with them where I'm like, I will lift whatever they lift just because I got to lift that number, that weight.

Speaker 2:     03:25       And what I've realized is I typically have created a ton of bad habits of a form and Eric has always tweaking my form whenever we lift in the morning. And the crazy thing is it's not like a massive drastic change. Sometimes it's literally moving my shoulders or my elbows an inch, two inches, and then all of a sudden the weight drops. I'm like, what happened? I was lifting all this weight. He goes, because you're using the wrong muscles, you're not. That's not what this exercise is for, and my only reason I mentioned this to you is I want to make sure that when you're taking a look at your business that you're, that you're making changes along the way that you actually are learning. And yes, I agree. I totally agree. You got to practice and you've got to keep keep at it, but you got to make sure that what you're practicing is the right thing and the way you practice the right thing is by getting a coach the way you practice it.

Speaker 2:     04:14       The right thing is by looking at the results that you're getting. Um, Julie. So I did the most amazing podcast the other day about funnel math. If you haven't listened to it, a check out Julie's podcast at the laptop lifestyle. I forget which number it was like 22, 23. Anyways, it's called funnel math. And the reason she, she did it was because funnel math. So often people get discouraged because they're looking at the wrong numbers. They're looking at the wrong results and they're judging their funnel based on on wrong numbers, and so she did an awesome job of going through and explaining exactly what are the actual numbers that you should be getting on. What's a good number for an optin, what's a good number for your first sale, what's a good number for an order form bump, what's a good number for an oto, how does that translate into a facebook ads and when do you know your funnels working versus that your ad costs are too high.

Speaker 2:     05:06       So she went through all of that and the reason I mentioned this is that's why practice is so important because you're always reevaluating you testing, you're tweaking and if you keep practicing without evaluating where you're at, all that's happening is you're making bad habits permanent. Like for me, as far as weight lifting, I had some terrible, terrible form habits that I'm not tweaking and changing and I'm starting to see results which are, which is what everyone. That's the only reason we practice stuff as we want results on the other side things. Um, another thing I'm, so golf is one of the things I'm starting to get back into a years ago I asked you used to be a pretty decent golfer and then I had four boys and uh, since then I just, it's been 20 plus years of no golf and so we hired a coach and it's interesting again, it's the little tiny things where it's, it's the angle of the golf club not only at the impacting the ball, it's the angle of, of how you're bringing the club head back and the trajectory as it's coming through.

Speaker 2:     06:07       A little little tiny changes and tweaks make massive, massive differences. But you have to have a coach. And the best way of getting a coach is to find someone who's already got the results that you want and modeled that. Russell's talked about this. A ton of Tony Robbins has talked about this. This is one of the things we are huge in a we. Oh Gosh, I wish. I wish you guys had all joined. Are One funnel away challenge. I'm sure we're going to be rolling this out again. Uh, so if you haven't, go to one funnel away and sign up so you at least get the notifications of when we do this. So we did a 30, uh, where basically what happened was we went through and Russell reached out to people and said, listen, if you were to lose absolutely everything and all, and these were all two comma club award winners.

Speaker 2:     06:52       People that made over a million dollars on funnel said, listen, if you lost everything and all you had was click funnels and your marketing knowledge, what would you do to get back on top in 30 days? And so each one of them came up with a plan and we put these plans together in a 564 page book. And what happened was as they went through the funnel, what they had the opportunity to doing was to sign up for our one funnel away challenge. Now the one funnel only challenge is Russell, Julie, and Steven. So Russell gives you 10,000 foot level. Julie breaks it down into a bite size pieces so you can actually consume it. And Steven is the executioner where he's literally every single day out there feeding, feeding the drum, making sure that you're taking massive action and more importantly that you're looking at what's working and what's not and you're making the changes. So again, go to one funnel away Sign up so you get the notification that we're probably going to open this up sometime in 2019, but make sure that you're getting that. So if you don't already have a coach, that's one of the easiest places to get one. Uh, another one is to find someone and go out and basically find someone who can hold you accountable. And sometimes that coach is just an accountability coach where they're literally just holding you accountable to doing whatever it takes.

Speaker 2:     08:06       The reason for this you'll find is too often we get all, we got whole bunch of goals and a whole bunch of ideas and, and everything's set to go, but we don't take the action that's necessary. And an accountability coach is one of the best things you will ever have to do that. And again, this is where they're holding your feet to the fire to make sure that you're practicing. And then what's going to happen is then you can have, you can hire someone else to help you basically evaluate what's, what's taking place. One of the best things to do to help someone from an accountability standpoint is live. And I've, I've done this myself, actually got this tip from Russell that was, um,

Speaker 2:     08:43       find a dollar amount that is extremely painful for you to give up for, for you might be $100, might be a thousand dollars, it might be 10,000 feet. And for some of you guys were listening to a hundred grand and you basically go and you find someone, you've set a goal and you find someone who's going to hold you accountable and you literally write them a check and you send them the check and they have it's made out to them and they can cash that check. If you don't reach whatever it is that you want them to hold you accountable for, you will be amazed where all of a sudden, if it was a goal to get up early in the morning workout, if all of a sudden you realize, listen, if I don't get out of bed, that's going to cost me a thousand bucks. You know what?

Speaker 2:     09:21       You'll get out of bed in the morning and sometimes that's all it takes. So realize you've got to find an accountability partner or accountability. Partners are fantastic. Another thing is a mastermind. You don't have to join a expensive, you know, $25,000 mastermind and if you can't afford it or anything else right now, just find two or three people that you get together with on a regular basis where they're evaluating your ideas and your evaluating their ideas. You're coaching them, they're coaching you, and realize that as you're doing this, you're going to find that that accountability and that open mindset and as you start coaching other people, you will be amazed at what happens to your own, your own thoughts and your own abilities. So again, I started this off of this whole idea as far as practice makes permanent, so please understand you have to continue to reevaluate on a regular basis.

Speaker 2:     10:07       What type of success that you're having are, is what is the practice that you're doing is getting you the right result and sometimes you're going to have to actually pay a coach to really help you get, get the results as I'm doing right now with regard to my form and those are things that are are critical and it's worth it. Don't ever. It always amazes me when people shy away from the expense of a coach. That's the investing in yourself is the most important thing. I wouldn't invest a dollar in the stock market or real estate or anything else until you invest in yourself first. You're the best investment is in new personally. By investing in you, you will find that you're able to make a ton more money to invest in the stock market or bitcoin or or real estate or whatever widget or gadget one invest in, but you got to invest in your very first investment is for yourself.

Speaker 2:     10:57       So invest in yourself first, find a coach, finding an accountability partner, join a mastermind, do whatever it takes, and just realize that I'm just doing the practice by itself. That's not good enough. You've got to make sure that someone is evaluating that practice to make sure that what you're practicing is the right forum. It's the right technique. Take massive action, realized practice makes permanent, and if what you want permanent is perfection, you'll find that as you practice the right things, you actually will get it and it will become permanent and it will become perfect. So having an amazing day, getting so many different things happening right now. One of the things that actually is coming up, I've forgotten. I want to make sure if, if you haven't already signed up to attend funnel hacking live, please go get your tickets. Go to funnel hacking

Speaker 2:     11:39       Register. Get your tickets. I would love to meet you there. Love to have you come up and say, Hey, I heard your podcast, Dave and your podcast is what got me to funnel hacking live, or whatever it might be. Anyways, whether it is or isn't what got to funnel hacking live, most important thing is get to hacking live, so we'll go get your Can't wait to see you guys. Thank you so much. Again. I appreciate everyone who takes the time to listen to podcasts. I know you've got a lot going on in your life. I hope I'm providing value to you. Please reach out. Let me know if I am a. You can connect with me on instagram and on facebook. You can email me. Uh, just let me know whatever I can to be to provide greater good or value for you. Have an awesome day and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 3:     12:16       Hi everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000. So we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and, and get this out to more people at the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or

Speaker 4:     13:02       I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 30, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Joe and Matt:

Joe Fier & Matt Wolfe are the co-founders of Evergreen Profits and absolutely love showing people how simple it really is to get seen online in competitive industries. They share their system of driving targeted traffic that turns into leads and sales to business owners who want to scale (but have failed in the past). They aren't an agency (they're pretty much the anti-agency). Having generated over $100 million for themselves and their clients, Matt and Joe pride themselves on helping other business owners who want to be seen,  and give great advice on affiliate marketing strategies and audience growth systems.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Traffic strategies (2:30)
  • SEO strategies (4:10)
  • Creating content around affiliate offers (7:30)
  • Using ManyChat as live chat (12:40)
  • Funnel Stacking (15:50)

Quotable Moments:

"People want to be talked to as a human, not an automated bot"


Yoast SEO



Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Well everybody. Welcome back to funnel hack

Speaker 2:     00:18       radio. I'm your host, Dave Woodward. You guys are in for a treat today. I have opted to have two amazing podcast host as well as guys who are absolutely crushing it. So let me know just to you guys, Joe and Matt Wolfe. What can the show guys? Hey man, how you doing? Thanks for having us on. I'm so happy to have you guys. So these guys are the cohost of hustle and Flowchart, which is an amazing, amazing a podcast. They've got cool, cool guys on there. I just know she had Tom Breeze on a couple of other guys. I've noticed obviously Billie Jean and the whole list. I'm like, Gosh, these events. Read them. Know a lot of these guys. Good Friends of mine. So it's a mucks. The most important thing that I want to make sure those guys who are listening. The reason I wanted to have Joel and Matt on today is these guys are almost anti agency and I want to kind of address why would, why we bring up anti agencies.

Speaker 2:     01:06       The main specialty they really have is driving massive amounts of content. Also a of traffic, I'm sorry, using ads and content, podcasts being one of those content pieces, but one of the really cool things these days right now is they have this weird like super power of being able to be seen everywhere, but by the right people. Everyone these days talks about being seen everywhere. It really doesn't matter if you've seen everywhere, if no one cares about you, so we're going to talk today about is how to get seen everywhere by the right people, how to do affiliate marketing the right way, how to actually use ads, content traffic, so hold on tight guys. It's gonna be a fun podcast and super excited at both you guys on the show. This is our favorite topic is just kind of opening up some eyeballs to how traffic can actually be done effectively and not extensively and it's a super easy.

Speaker 2:     01:53       Once you get that foundation layer, well do I know that's one of the biggest things most people struggle with is this feels like to do traffic. I got to spend thousands and thousands of dollars. I never know which dollar really works and which one doesn't. It's kind of proverbial going back to the old branding days and you know, 50 percent is going to work. I just don't know which 50 percent it actually is. So with that, let's kind of dive right in guys. So tell me what, where do we start? How does, where do you want to take this thing? All right, so you know, probably the best way to approach this. I'll kind of give a quick breakdown of our traffic strategy and then you can kind of pick it apart if you want and we'll just dive deeper and deeper into it. So the way we drive traffic, is it sort of a combo of Google ads, Seo and facebook ads?

Speaker 2:     02:32       Um, so what we'll do is we'll create a piece of content around the problem that our product solves. So a blog post on our wordpress blog, we'll create a piece of content and we'll go to google and we'll find what people are searching for keywords around the content that our problem solves. We're not trying to sell them on that first touch. So for example, one of the examples I gave on a previous podcast was, um, let's say you have a home remedy for, okay. Um, somebody goes to Google and says a in, how do I cure heartburn at home? Right? Well, that person is looking for a solution to their problem. You put content in front of them with some tips on home remedies for heartburn. Now that they've used that content, they essentially raised their hand and said, look, we've got this issue. That's how we know that this problem is interested now, or this person is interested in what we have to offer.

Speaker 2:     03:23       Now what we're gonna do is we're going to retarget the heck out of them everywhere. So they're gonna start seeing our ads to our product offering on facebook, on Google display network, on youtube ads onto Bula. Uh, you name it. We've probably experimenting with retargeting on those places, so the key ideas use google search ads so that people are searching for the problems that they have, put content in front of them related to that problem and then just retarget them everywhere once they viewed that piece of content. So that's the sort of game plan in a nutshell that, that we operate under and we do it with both our own products and with affiliate products

Speaker 3:     03:56       in our podcast and our podcast. So I'm really curious because Seo is one of the things I just suck at. I've never done anything. You get this thing out. The whole idea as far as google content scares me. It's how do you, how do you really do this thing effectively without having to outsource all of it or do you outsource at all? So there's a combo. We do outsource a little bit. We actually hired some interns and have have a little team as well. We're lean and mean, so we're not a big company so. But it appears that we have this massive budget, which is really cool. It's only being shown to the right people. All these ads, so for Seo, we always use a yoast seo plugin for wordpress sites, so just the free version can do a lot for you if you just turn the all the lights inside the plugin green. I mean that's a good first step. I mean everyone should be doing this and we didn't focus on that for a very long time. We did that for about two months with all the previous existing posts and now what do you know? Organic traffic is the number one player for us. That's how we get most of our traffic. So the retargeting Seo while ast, is that right? Why O a s t a r y s t,

Speaker 2:     05:05       yeah, and if you're not familiar with that plugin and essentially what you do is you install it and then we write a new blog post. It says what keyword you're trying to rank for. You plug in that keyword and then we'll give you a whole bunch of suggestions of how to optimize that post so that it ranks for that keyword. So you just kind of follow the list. If you follow the list, there's a little light that starts out red saying you're not optimized. If you follow the list, the light turns green and you're now on

Speaker 3:     05:26       page optimized for Seo tools. I'd love to see. Yeah, I mean it's great for existing content. We're all sitting on a bunch of it, so let's optimize that and then you can go further with some new keywords. So how you guys didn't use that on your podcast

Speaker 2:     05:42       and cast. We specifically try to rank for our guest's name. That's kind of our big game plan with the podcast is anybody who comes on our show, we want to be on page one for that guest's name. We want our episode with them to be on page one so people will search for, let's say had dave Woodward on our show. They searched Dave Woodward. We're ranked number three probably below your site and you know, maybe click funnels and some of the stuff you're involved in, but ideally we show up on page one as, um, an interview with you that people are interested in. They click into our blog, they click deeper into our blog, defined other, you know, other things, and then based on what they look at on our blog, we then retarget them with offers. Awesome. So you're taking that podcast, make a transcript out of it as a blog article, taking that blog article using seo yoast and other tools to then rank for that

Speaker 3:     06:29       guess. Yeah, exactly. And we see it as a big segmentation tool. Any piece of content, no matter what you're producing, we just, she's podcast. It's easy for us. We have a system and it's multipurpose, you know, we can go across the web and upload a transcript to things like a medium, you know, or use that on You can make them into slideshare, pdfs and then get traffic that way. So we're big into repurposing, but bringing it into our, bringing people into our ecosystem so we can let those retargeting pixels do their work.

Speaker 2:     06:58       Yeah, I love it. Well, I'm really curious on the affiliate side of things because this is one of the things that people are always bugging me about. You know, at first obviously you click phones, has our dream car award winning thing, so you get 40 percent recurring commission plus if you get to a hundred accounts on a monthly basis, you get $500 a month for your car twitter accounts, you get a thousand. So we've always got people saying, how do I get a car, how do I get a car, how do I get this money? And one of the things people I struggle with trying to help people understand is there's more to it than just taking our current links and blasted him everywhere. You are just magical at really creating content around affiliate offers. I want to spend some time on that. Sure.

Speaker 3:     07:37       Sounds good. Um, yeah, so we start with I guess our approach. We'll start there as we like to work with tools that we love and ones that we use in our own business so we can put our knowledge, our experience behind all the content that we create around that tool. So, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll usually also work with folks that we kind of know who probably have act like better the relationships we have with that affiliate offer, let's just say that helps the entire thing. So we'll start with creating content and we'll select probably the top five common objections and then from there, you know, that's where we can start pointing ads on Google for instance. And then, um, that's more or less our first touch from Google ads to a piece of content. And then from there we have pixels for Google, facebook, youtube, there's, I mean there's all sorts of different platforms you can retarget on. That's where we call it our cleanup crew. More or less, you didn't buy on the first touch. There's always a call to action inside the value giving a blog post there. But we know that it's gonna take multiple touches. So we feed the Pixel. That's what the guys like. Vince Reed, Billie Jean, all those guys, you mentioned a Tom Breeze, they're all big on feeding the pixel. I think that's the big thing. People have to get over it.

Speaker 2:     08:50       Don't go what that means because we hear that term feed the pigs all the time, but I don't people really understand what feed the pixel really needs. Yeah. So if you want to do retargeting, which is, you know, you, someone lands on your website once and now they're cookie cookie drops onto their browser. That's the pixel that you would grab from a facebook or Google ad platform. Uh, so that would be the pixel we're talking about there. And for retargeting you can build this audience. So the Pixel is essentially creating this new audience of visitors who are engaging with your content. So basically the idea is you put a piece of content in front of people, your pixels on there, anybody who views this piece of content is going to see our other ads. So we want to get as many eyeballs on this piece of content as possible so that more people see our other ads.

Speaker 2:     09:37       So that's essentially what feeding the pixel is so that our ads are being retargeted all over the place to more and more and more people. I love it. Super Cool. And I guess one little wrap a bow on that, a lot of folks try to get super targeted on, uh, the, you know, the platforms she feed the pixel, you're leveraging their algorithms and the, yeah, the rocket scientists that work at Google and facebook, let's leverage what they've done really well, feed that Pixel and let them do the hard work. Yeah, we'll follow up when it comes to advertising. We've actually kind of gotten in the habit of selecting less and less options inside of facebook and Google and letting facebook and Google optimize for us. So you know, we're going to start with some, some very broad like interest targets on facebook, you know, we may start with like digital marketing or something like that which has $20 million fans, but it's still pretty broad and then we won't set any other targeting and if you let it run for like a week or two overtime, facebook's going to start to figure out which of these people are converting and which aren't.

Speaker 2:     10:35       And they're going to start putting more of the right people in front of your ads. So I love that idea. That is super cool, so on the affiliate side, because affiliate marketing is one of the most can be a struggle for a lot of people because they have so many other people competing for the same type of words. Everything else. What are some of the key things you guys are doing? I know you guys, first of all said you take is find out what are the five objections or things about what else? I think there's a lot of ways with affiliate marketing that we go probably way above what most people are willing to do, which is why we've been so successful at it. Um, you know, real quick, I want to make sure we talked about that kind of success because you guys are just your normal affiliate marketers who are making a couple hundred thousand 100 bucks, a thousand bucks or even 100,000.

Speaker 2:     11:18       You guys are like seven figure affiliate award winning marketer. I mean, you guys totally get this thing right now. Eighty percent of our business affiliate marketing is our main income stream. We do sell courses and things, but affiliate marketing is our main revenue stream. Um, if you want to learn how we're doing it, that's what we have the courses for, but we make enough money doing what we do. So, um, so, so as far as affiliate marketing goes, there's so many things that we'll do. So, a, we always like to create a landing page so we're never going to send straight to our clickfunnels affiliate link. We're going to send them to some sort of a piece of content that maybe compares click funnels to other alternatives that are there, that explains the various ways we're using click funnels in our business, things like that. We're going to create a lot of content around click funnels and why you should want click funnels.

Speaker 2:     12:01       So that's where we're going to drive our Google ad traffic to. Um, another thing that we do is on our landing pages, we always put a little mini chat. I'm not sure if you're familiar with mini chat, but a little of course chat Bot that basically will allow people to communicate with you over facebook messenger. We put that on all of our, all of our pages everywhere across the Internet. So if somebody's interested in affiliate product and they have a question, they get access to me or joe or one of our two team members that are actually in mini chat fielding questions. So we'll actually get into mini chat and close sales over mini chat of products that we don't even own. Um, now I'm want to stop you there because this is one of the things that people screw things up with many chat is they've had this idea as far as it set it and forget it type of approach.

Speaker 2:     12:44       You guys are actually, that's one of the things I love about what you guys do. You guys actually using mini chat as live chat, which is something most people don't even consider. It's like, you know, I don't want to do that. I'm just going to set it up and let it run and whatever happens happens. So yeah, we used to use, which was kind of the same idea, a little button thing that said, hey, do you have any questions? They message us and then we'd go into the dark app and respond to people when the mini chat opened up the version where you can do the, essentially the same thing, but it goes to facebook messenger. We got rid of our can just put that on there instead. But yeah, I mean the first two messages are actual automated messages. Like, Hey, what do you need help with, you know, select one of these options that applies. They click one, maybe there's a link to like an Faq or a video or something. And then beyond that a real person jumps in and actually communicates.

Speaker 3:     13:32       And we have a whole system. So this is, I'm happy to bring this up because no one is doing this, not even for their own products. And we've had a, we just actually spoke to Mike mcalary of profit first and he bought a product from us and uh, and he noted he was like, you do better customer service than the actual product owners do affiliates doing this because of the follow up. And people want to be talked to like a human, not an automated Bot. People mainly think it's about talking to them. I'm like, no, no, no, no. This is joe here. This is Matt and I'll even do. We'll sometimes do loom videos where it's a customized screen capture maybe a minute or 200 percent of the time. Ninety eight percent of the time people are like, holy crap, you just took that time for me. Like personalized and by then you're pretty much close. They're telling everybody else about their experience. So it's super cool. Not very many chats. Amazing. You can do a lot, but flipping it to be pushed. Personalized and humanlike I think is the key. Um, so deeper down the, the affiliate funnel,

Speaker 2:     14:36       no, the list around every single product we promote. So we have a list of people that are interested in click funnels. We have a list of people that are interested in thrivecart and other tool. We promote pushcrew yeah, we do push crew notification. So when, whenever we want do a promotion, we send it out to our entire push crew lists. Um, I don't know. We actually have an affiliate marketing course. It's got 120 different ways to promote products as an affiliate and if you just did them all, I mean there's no reason you can't make six figures a month doing it. Okay, so stop right there and tell people where they can get that because I've known them. People are going to go crazy. So how do they actually get that course? So that would be the best places to go to evergreen hacker.

Speaker 2:     15:16       So you'll get a book actually, it's a little free book for the coastlines that all this traffic stuff and you'll have an opportunity to see the affiliate course and it's a piece of. It's a piece of a bigger funnel. We'll say that, which again, I want to make sure people understand. I think it's one thing I love about what you guys do is this I refer to is funnel stacking where they come in one funnel and they literally get stacked and layered and that layering is what allowed you guys to really crush seven figures as affiliates. Which is phenomenal. And I think too often people think that I'm going to create one funnel and it's just going to take care of everything for me. So explain kind of how your, how your funnel stacks work. Yeah. So everything is content based and we love to, you know, start with content and interest.

Speaker 2:     15:58       Kind of like what Matt was lining out with, uh, you know, we'll have either topics around a specific product or maybe it's podcast and our case and we use that content to segment folks into these different funnels. So these are all different followup sequences based off of the type of content they just consumed. So they'll have, will have an email follow up sequence. Pushcrew has its own kind of marketing, a mini chat has tags as well, so we have the opera and then obviously have the pixels, the different ad networks that are going to show irrelevant affiliate offer or maybe it's additional training and other podcasts we want people to listen to. So that's the idea is using content to kind of leverage where we want to take them. We're personally choosing to go based off of the content. And then as far as far as like the actual funnel elements, you know, I don't want to say this is easy to do, you know, it's kind of a simple concept, but it's not easy to set up everything we do.

Speaker 2:     16:53       So one of the things we do is we actually have a split test running all the time on all of our pages. So even when we're promoting affiliate products, let's say we have a landing page that promotes click funnels, I'm going to have two variations of my headline on that page going at any given time or two variations of our video explaining why you should get click funnels or two variations of the button. There is always, always 100 percent of the time I split tests running on both our landing pages and our various ads that we're running. So we're just optimizing, optimizing, optimizing. And I've just, I'm never satisfied. I've got some ads in Google where we're getting percent click through rates on them and I'm still trying to optimize them up into better click through rates. So that's awesome. Matt, go ahead. I was curious as far as when you're doing a split test, how, how often are you changing it?

Speaker 2:     17:39       Because the problem I run across people that say I'm going to split test. I do, they set it and they forget about it. It's like dude, you're not doing anything with that. So split testing, so use vwo visual website optimizer to run our split tests and I actually I check in on them once a week, but it really depends on the amount of traffic going to a landing page. Some of our offers get a lot more traffic than others. You know, we've got paged at some pages that will get up, you know, a thousand visits a day on them. So those ones I can legitimately optimize on a once a week basis. Some of them, you know, they'll get a thousand visitors a month so I'm actually, I'm checking on them once a week but I'm actually only going in and making a new variation once. I feel like I've got enough data to really justify a new variation.

Speaker 2:     18:20       So you know, so man, do you feel like a thousand is enough? Is that Kinda the magic number? It has got to be technically, I think if you were to talk to like a real hardcore conversion rate optimization guy, he would say that's not enough. Um, for me it's been working. It's been working. We're seeing incremental growth every month. So I'm, you know, I'm happy with the results we're getting out of it. That's the key thing that we had the Aha this year is I think as a business coach and said, okay, look at the little indicators that you have in your business, like conversion rate, uh, you know, traffic numbers, all of that. If you can increase those little bits, that little bits every week, I mean, just look at the compounded effort over 12 months and then look at where you're going to be over that span of time.

Speaker 2:     19:00       You will, I mean conservative things about tripling your revenue. Now, you know, if you're just slowly doing just that and then optimizing your ads as well in the same way. And it's not rocket science, you just have to have a really solid offer or multiple offers. And then just do these little small, monotonous tweaks that, you know, it's not starting something from scratch, but as entrepreneurs love doing, staying in your lane and going, oh yeah, that's been a big Aha for us is just the small incremental improvements week over week, over week, look at it over six months. And you went, wow, how did I get from there to here? So how do you guys deal with the whole shiny object syndrome? Because you guys are getting a ton of offers in front of you guys all the time.

Speaker 2:     19:41       The best people to ask on that. Matt had been in business together for like 12 years now, which is crazy. He's like my other brother I never had. So we have a similar brain. It's different, but this year I honestly, we, we hired a coach and he told us to stick with the plan for like a year minimum. And that's where I went into the optimizations. That's where we went into a very deliberate mood on what we're doing. Each week. We've even kind of cut down our work time because of just personal things we want to do rather than sitting behind a screen. So we'll, I'll say, I'll say the times, the most difficult thing that gives us shiny objects syndrome is we have a podcast as well, so over the last year and a half since we started this show, we've interviewed 112 people now and every single person has good ideas, so that's where our tiny object syndrome comes into play is we'll get off an episode with somebody and go test that and then like we'll talk to, you know, one of our mentors and they'll be like, no, stay the course, you know, verbally slap us.

Speaker 2:     20:40       A mentor works getting super clear on what we're doing now. And then what's the, what's the infinity project? James Schramko calls it like this thing and you're always kind of working on what your team is and that's worked for us. Yeah, no, I love Schramko's infinity project. It's a great, great analogy. He thinks he's a great guy. Yeah. So I'm really kind of curious as far as I'm sitting here going massive shiny object syndrome with a ton of affiliate stuff and going, okay, so four slash funnel hacker. I got to see who's going to go ahead and actually go through all 120 of those and put those in place so we can do. Let us know. We'll give you something cool. If you do that and prove that you've done them all, it'll be good. Yeah, I mean that's. That's the cool thing about affiliate marketing I guess that we want to.

Speaker 2:     21:29       It's a great bolt on. You don't have to just do affiliate marketing. Do you have a solid offer that you feel like you're still leaving some things out that you can then leverage someone else's offer product or service or even brokering a deal? We've done so many of those and that's the thing. It all compiles up into more profits based off of what you're already doing. So bolt on. I think that's a good little like, oh, that's it. One of the things you guys made mentioned, which I don't hear too many people talking about these days and that's Taboola. Do you wanna explain what to Bula is and how you guys were using it. So taboola is what's called a native advertising platform and essentially what it is is if you ever go to some of these bigger sites like CNN or Msnbc site, you read some news and you scroll down to the bottom of the news site, it'll say you know, also recommended and there'll be some little ads and usually they're very like click baity looking ads with the image.

Speaker 2:     22:21       You can't really make out what they're doing in the image. And they're like, you know, wait until you see what this guy did after he ate a pickle or whatever. And you're like, oh, I need to click on this. What is this? Right? So you see these on these big platforms, these new sites, and it's down at the bottom and they call it native advertising because it looks like it's native to the site. It looks like, like you're clicking on more internal content on the site, but when you click to it, it's, you know, an external site and the extent of what we've really experimented with is just purely retargeting because the idea being if they view a piece of content, we want them to see us in as many places as we can possibly put ourselves. So there'll be a piece of content. Maybe the content is around, you know, click funnels, here's all the way we use click funnels and now all of a sudden they're seeing our ads to our landing page about clickfunnels.

Speaker 2:     23:08       They'll see them at the bottom of an MSNBC page. They'll go to somebody's blog, they'll see it on Google display network, on the sidebar banner. They go to facebook, it will be in their feet. You know, it's just part of being everywhere. And so our budget for it isn't very big. We don't get just a ton of impressions on that. We might spend $7 in a month on it because it's a very low volume play, but it's part of that branding thing is part of that psychological thing. We're holy crap, I'm seeing these guys everywhere and that's what it does for us at least. I love that. A two bullets. One of the things we're starting to play around with ourselves. So I, again, I haven't heard too many people playing around with it says, cool, you guys are using it. Yeah. Yeah. And it, it's, it's great for feeding the Pixel to um, you know, we tried to put some of our content, the same kind of content that if somebody searched google, they would see those blog posts. We tried to put that in some of the native ad platform stuff and put some like click baity links just to feed the pixel. And what we noticed was the time on site from those people was like three seconds long. And we're like, okay, these people are clearly not spending the time required to be a good prospect. So we actually cut out all cold traffic from taboola and just made it purely a retargeting play for us. But their dive back into it in the future, I'm sure we will. That's the key.

Speaker 3:     24:20       Just be on his men. If you have, you know, the access to all these platforms and can just do retargeting, why wouldn't you just place that Pixel on your site and let it do its work? Keep an eye on the budgets, you know, make sure you're not spending a boatload of money but, but the branding play, you know, it's what five to seven touches is the average. They always say, for someone to make a conversion, well might as well do it this way. That's how we choose it.

Speaker 2:     24:41       And I mean with the, with the risk of sounding like I'm kissing butt a little bit, something like click funnels makes it really easy because once you get something one of these funnels that works really well, there's a little button that says, clone your press that button and you do it all over again. Wonder how we do that landing page, that evergreen product. I love it. So obviously one of the things you guys are magicians ad is making sure that you're seen by everywhere, but most importantly by the right people everywhere. And I appreciate you guys spending time with the state as we kind of get close to wrapping things up here. Joe, Matt, anything else you guys want to leave with our audience? I think

Speaker 3:     25:16       the big thing is, is just the Aha is, is think about how you can bring all these platforms and let them work together. A lot of folks try to keep things. I'm a facebook guy, I'm a google guy. Well, why not be everything you know, and focus on your input where, where, where's the best input they could bring those qualified eyeballs to your ecosystem. And then, you know, let the magic happen with the platforms.

Speaker 2:     25:39       That's the big thing. I mean, you pretty much covered it. Um, you know, and, and we do the same thing with the podcast. We didn't really dive too deep into it, but with the podcasts, um, you know, that's the podcast could be huge. If anybody who's thinking about doing a podcast, I'm always blown away with the excuses. People don't, they give for not having a podcast because it's probably been the most impactful thing we've ever done in our business. But you can do what we call our invisible podcast funnel where essentially people listen to an episode and then once they listened to an episode of, let's say we had a, a creator of a software product on the podcast, we can interview that person than anybody who listened to that interview. All the sudden we can now retarget them with that person's. So it's just a real quick way to use and monetize a podcast through, you know, that that's essentially them raising their hand and saying, I'm interested in this because they just spent an hour with me, Joe and the creator of the product.

Speaker 2:     26:34       They're going to start seeing everywhere now. So take for example, you guys had me on, if you have me on your podcast, you didn't win target click funnels because we'd be talking about click funnels and everything else. And then you're going to have your affiliate link type to see all those ads that we send them to a landing page. We wouldn't, we'd never really linked straight to an affiliate link. We would send them to a landing page. That way we have the opportunity to, to, um, capture him on an email list and give some reasons why you should get it through our link and maybe offer up some bonuses and things like that. Uh, but yeah, that's exactly what we do. We would put our landing page for clickfunnels in front of anybody who listened to our episode together. Yep. Oh, such a cool idea.

Speaker 2:     27:12       We should probably do that. I'll probably do that. That sounds fun. Anything else guys? Again, thanks so much. Yeah, just everybody. Evergreen hacker. You can go down the rabbit hole and learn a little deeper and that's going to get something. This book right here, it's called, um, the evergreen traffic playbook. That's the book that will give away for free. We'll give you a free digital copy slash funnel hacker. There you go. Awesome. So guys, again, check it out. Evergreen profits Dr. Com, forward slash funnel hacker. So again, evergreen, forward slash funnel hacker. They're kind enough to give you guys a free copy digital copy of the book. And most importantly, you then get a top into their funnels and see how you get retargeted literally all over the entire world online and take it down and follow exact what they're doing. So again guys, thank you so much. You guys are amazing. It's always fun talking to you guys. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 4:     28:11       Thank you. Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and, and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do that do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 25, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Alex:

Alex Charfen is co-founder and CEO of CHARFEN, a training, education and membership organization for entrepreneurs and small businesses. Alex has dedicated his life to answering the question, How do you make business grow? which evolved into a larger calling to understand How do you help people grow? Listen to Alex and Dave talk about Alex’s Billionaire Code and the 4 Rs of organizations to figure out exactly where you business currently stands and how to excel to the next level. 

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Why you can’t sell your way out (3:00)
  • The Billionaire Code (9:00)
  • The 1,3,7,1 Levels (14:00)
  • Time Inventory (22:00)
  • The 4 R’s (24:00)

Quotable Moments:

"When you make that transition from me to we, you have to change who you are as an entrepreneur."

"There is a difference between having a product and having a business."

"Your success is the sum of what you focus on."

"Your business is broken and if things go well, it always will be."

Other Tidbits: No business is perfect,  you want a system and team that is adaptable. Embrass issues in your business and that’s how you grow.



Speaker 1:     00:00       Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back.

Speaker 2:     00:18       You guys. I seriously. I'm so excited for you guys to hear this podcast. This is a guy I have the hardest time getting. I see them all the time. We talk all the time, but to actually get enough time to have a focus for a podcast is next to impossible because he's literally building million and billion dollar brands. And with that I want to introduce and welcome back to the show Mr Alex Charfen. Alex, welcome. Thanks Dave. Great to be here with Humana. For those of you guys who don't know, Alex, it is. You're the honesty. I, I haven't. Rustled hasn't even been on more than once. So it actually, you're my first third time one. Actually, this is really cool and honestly I, for those of you guys don't know Alex, first of all, I'd recommend you go listen to the momentum podcast. I actually, the first time I met Alex was at genius network and I was so mad because he was giving out a limited supply of 500, literally numbered 500 of his entrepreneurial personality type books and it gave one to Russel and I'm like, dude, I am never going to get that.

Speaker 2:     01:17       Russell doesn't give out his books, so that was like a gone deal and unfortunately been able to get a copy, but this is a guy who is literally helped thousands of entrepreneurs and a ton of my personal dear friends get over some of the struggles they have is as an entrepreneur to actually build a business and I think the key here is helping people really understand what it means to really build a business instead of just having a product. Now I know I've been to a ton of talking, but one of the things we're going to dive right into it, I am so excited about and that is this whole concept of why, in fact, first of all, before we dive in, anything else you want to say about how amazing you are, Alex? No, Dave, I just,

Speaker 3:     01:51       I really appreciate you having me back on. You and I always have a lot of fun and I love the clickfunnels audience. It's like it's my favorite podcast audience if besides my own, and it's absolutely my favorite live audience, so I can't wait to speak in funnel hacking live this year.

Speaker 2:     02:06       I am so excited about tickets. You should buy tickets. Seriously. If you haven't bought a ticket, go to funnel hacking live right now and go buy your ticket. You should be there because if you're not, you're going to Miss Alex and this is. This is your third time. It's my third time, but I want everybody to understand. I've been to have been to three funnel hacking lives. I missed one because the tickets sold out, so don't be like me like I, you know, I spoke three years ago. I missed the next one because there were no tickets left. We always sell out. So get your tickets. Go to funnel hacking, live back on right now and get you buy your ticket. I'm one of the topics. Alto, the great thing that Alex, so you could literally talk about a ton of different things. He's one of our two comma club x coaches and people absolutely love everything he does.

Speaker 2:     02:51       He's a systems guy and understands people and more importantly what it takes to really build a business. And I think that's why I wanted to make sure I them on this time is we want to talk to you about this topic that has come up quite a bit recently and this whole idea as far as why you can't sell your way out. And with that I'm let Alex kind of talk a little about it and I'm going to come back and tell you a personal story here. But Alex, let's kind of. Let's dive more into this as far as why is it that you feel you can't sell your way out?

Speaker 3:     03:20       So Dave, I want to give a little background to this. So I, you know, I've been a part of a lot of different groups in masterminds and one of the groups that I was in awhile ago used to have this same like you can sell your or market your way out of any problem and every time they would say that to the people in the room, I'd get a pit in my stomach. I get physically uncomfortable because I know that that's absolutely not true. Now you can of a lot of problems, but if you have a delivery issue and you sell more, you're going to have a bigger problem. If you have a ton of leads and you don't have a good sales team, you're going to have an even bigger problem. And so there gets to this point where you have sales and marketing or how you launched the business.

Speaker 3:     04:01       Operations and processes and systems and putting the right people in the right place. The right communication in place and the right systems in place is how you really grow a company. And I think that's something that nobody really talks about because it's a lot of fun to talk about sales and marketing. But one of the reasons that I have so much respect for Russell is that he's building a real organization, a real team, and it's growing like crazy. And the reason is there's like 200 of you who are making click funnels grow and you know, if Russell early on had said, I'm just going to focus on nothing but marketing and not build the team, not build the organization to be anywhere near where you are today.

Speaker 2:     04:36       I appreciate that. I can say that is a lesson I had to learn the hard way. Uh, I've had a ton of different businesses over the years and, uh, one of those businesses I, I really thought because I had heard that saying that from the exact group that you mentioned, and I thought, you know what? I don't have a problem. As long as I can sell my way out, there's an I know I can market, I can sell, I will just, I'll just, I'll just put so much more massive action into this thing and I will solve every problem just by selling more and marketing more. And that in of itself will take care of everything. And what it ended up doing basically was land in the almost on the streets of the bankruptcy court because I had sold a whole bunch of stuff that I then couldn't fulfill on or I couldn't fulfill fast enough.

Speaker 2:     05:20       And then all of a sudden I started getting refund requests. I'm like, no, you can't read. You can't know that. Okay, if I'm going to get a refund, that means I've got to sell even more. I got to sell to replace the one I just lost plus get more money in. And it literally just became this downward spiral, which I know is kind of a weird topic for us to be talking about here when we're talking about funnels and everything else. But what I really want to make sure you guys understand is how important these systems really are. We were wrestling with in a couple of weeks ago, we were joking around about we sold our way real fast to 10 million. I mean, it was real quick and we actually did a pretty good job of even selling in the first two by the time we hit our end of our second year, our third year, we're at over $30 million and that was where we started realizing, you know, and we fortunately had, we had people in place but we didn't have systems and that was one of the big differences.

Speaker 2:     06:11       There's a huge difference between routine and having people in place and we were fortunate we have a very, very strong culture inside of our organization as well as a long with our customers. But the biggest problem we found is we didn't have the systems for those people. And again, we had always focused on hiring a players and we'd always focused on making sure that we had great people around us but the systems was, was our downfall. And that's again, when things you've talked so much about. So with that Alex, I want to kind of dive in more and help people understand what exactly. I mean this whole billionaire code you talked about. I remember the first time you laid this out to me, I just freaked out. I was like, oh my gosh, where's Alex? Ben? For the last 50 years in my life, I only heard about this and seen this because it, it literally applied specifically to every time I looked at all the business I've done over the years, every time I had one that didn't go well or had a problem with a partner, it was because of every single thing that was in your, in your code.

Speaker 2:     07:08       I mean, it literally. It was like crap if I'd only known that. So I had learned through the school of hard knocks. So in the next 15, 20 minutes I'm going to have alex as he poured his heart and soul out to you and basically give you as much as he can.

Speaker 3:     07:20       Yeah. And so, and here's, here's here. So first the billionaire code, the billionaire code is, is a matrix that shows the nine levels that it takes to go from zero to $100,000,000 and exactly what you should be focused on along the way. And today, you know when, when, if anybody who wants to can go to the billionaire and you can download that Matrix, it'll show you exactly what it is. In fact, you can go to my podcast episode 180. There's 20 episodes, did spell out the entire billionaire code. And if you went to funnel hacking live, you can go watch the presentation from last year because I did. And what we all need to understand though, is as you ascend as an entrepreneur, once you get to around a million dollars, and this is why it's so important for this audience because right when you're hitting the two comma club, you make this massive transition as an entrepreneur from me to we like a lot of entrepreneurs can, can overclock it.

Speaker 3:     08:15       They can push themselves up to 2 million, 3 million, 4 million without a team. But it's tenuous and it's hard and it's difficult and it feels really precarious. And when you make that transition for me to change who you are as an entrepreneur, you know, I tell people that in order to grow the business you want, you have to become the person who can run it and if you don't have the business you want, you haven't become the person who can run it yet. And the major change there is making this transition from being an entrepreneur centric you, to actually building the team, building the organization. And for us, the way we coach it goes in three different places. It's putting the right people around you, doing the right things, recruiting the right members. It's using the right processes so that there's a process for everything in your business, including how you communicate and focusing on the right projects.

Speaker 3:     09:04       And the billionaire code gives you exactly what projects you should be focused on each level of development, but then you have these two levels level. Putting the right people in place and the right processes in place. And the biggest deficit in most entrepreneurial businesses is in the people department with process. Because here's what most people say when they work in an entrepreneurial business, we don't know where we're going. The strategy changes way too often and nobody communicates with us. So if you can solve that, your team knows where they're going and there's consistent communication. Your Business will explode. And like you've said, you know, we've taken even some members of like the inner circle who have had really fast growth businesses, but we add those things, three things, the right people, the right process, the right projects, and all of a sudden you've got a $10,000,000 business that goes to 50 million within like 10 months. So it's been cool. I honestly, I think one I can, we can talk about just recently I was literally just within the other day was and Ryan. Yeah, what an incredible difference. So I'll let you tell their story. You know that an ideal even. Well. So Brad and Brad and Ryan at Atlas. Well financial. So it's um. Oh Man. I always say I'm Brad's last name wrong. It's Brad and Ryan Lee.

Speaker 3:     10:20       Crap. I always want to say Brad Cobb, because I grew up with a kid named Brad cops. So anyway, right. And he noticed like, I've told him this every time I say your name, I say it wrong, but um, but they're phenomenal entrepreneurs. I love the two of them. And we started working with them about nine and a half months ago and when we first started talking they were considering doing something else. Getting out of the atlas was walking away from it because they couldn't figure out how to make it work. And we sat down, we structured a structure to a plan where they were going to put the right person in place. So they got, they went out and got an executive assistant and then we started really planning around how they were going to both act in the business, what they were going to do in the business.

Speaker 3:     10:58       And we created a forward looking strategy and they took that strategy and they went from about a $1,000,000 business to in about a nine and a half month period, a $3,000,000 business. Now they're well over $3 million. And they have some months where they're run rates over $4 million and I just had a call with those guys this week. They went from a two person team to a six person team there now in and now they're in the place where they're doing everything. They're now getting back out of the strategy there. They're moving, they're ascending again, going from one to three now they're going to go in and go from three to 10. But here's what's so important about this. The business that they had had that potential, it's just they didn't have the right people in the seats, the right processes in place, and they weren't focused on the right projects. We flipped that and immediately they go from one to 3 million and anybody who's listening who's in that two comma club range, it's crazy. If you've gotten there, you'd be blown away. What happens when you the right systems in place?

Speaker 2:     11:55       It's an honest. It's one of the things I've loved the most. I'm joking around just before he did the recording as far as an email, we had to send out some of our subcontractors and it was kind of funny just because, uh, I've looked at that, the success of, you know, one of the great things about our inner circle is russell is a genius when it comes to the sales and marketing piece and I've seen a lot of our inner circle members of that, a lot of success in doing that. And it's been interesting as they've worked with us as well to then see the system to get in place and it's. And it just takes it to the next level. And I think the best part, the part I like the most is once you have the system in place, that's when you can go back to the sales and marketing and you can totally pour the gas on it.

Speaker 2:     12:34       You know, when you do that, you. That's where you see that astronomical growth. And the hardest part for most of us as entrepreneurs is we get so focused just whatever our skill set is. And for me I'm a driver. I'm just always going to drive. I'm just going to push. I'm gonna push. I just believe I'll make something happen and I know even for Brad and Ryan, they were sales guys and financial services. You may have always in the financial service industries think I'm just going to sell, sell, sell, and they just get burned out. After awhile. You're like, I've been just busted my button and yeah, and money's coming in, but it's not growing. I think that's the part I want to make sure people, you guys are listening to this, understand there's a difference between having a product and having a business. You can start off selling a product which is great and it's one of the great things about click funnels is you can take that product and all of a sudden that product you can turn that.

Speaker 2:     13:22       I look at Natalie Hodson. I mean natalie had this crazy, crazy product that I hit the two comma club selling a $37 Ebook, which is just astronomical. I mean you got to be, you don't have it upsale, you don't just have a $37 ebook but you did it. But again, the cool thing for me is I take a look at where she's at now. It's because of the people she's brought in. It's because of the system against you could sell and she could mark it and she did an amazing job and she got to that level. But to get to that next level it requires the things you're talking about. And so Alex, if you don't mind, if you could help people. Let's take a step back. There's a lot of, you and I have talked a lot about this whole idea as far as one, three, seven, one meaning $100,000, 300,000, $70,000, million, $3 million, 7 million, 10 million, 30 million, 70 million, 100 million. And at each of those tiers it kind of fits it a little bit. Kind of along the lines of your billionaire code. Yeah. And as people are in those different levels, what if you could kind of target those people who right now are under 100,000 and tell them what they should focus on and then from those people who are in that $3 million and then the million above, you don't mind.

Speaker 3:     14:27       So if you're under 100,000, here's the biggest issue for most people that are under 100,000, you haven't decided who you're working with yet. You haven't gotten really clear on your market. I mean if you're just starting out, there's two things. It's one personal. Your personal skill sets, your habits, your routines, like are you as a human being ready to own a business? And for most people the answer is no, they're not doing the things that they need to do. They're not forward planning, they're not strategic planning, they're not clear on what really want. And then second, are you clear on who you want to serve? Once you get that covered from 100 to 300, it's how many leads can you generate? And can you lock in lead generation? Can you get that population coming towards you? Then from 300 to a million, it's building the system so that you can deliver and making sure you can deliver consistently and convert sales consistently and then from a million to three you have to not only build systems around what you do well, but then you have to build a team around what you do well and then now it gets interesting when you get to 3 million and you're going above three.

Speaker 3:     15:23       That's a transition where your ability to lead a team is almost exclusively what is going to help you move forward. For most entrepreneurs, and I think what happens is a lot of entrepreneurs get there and they don't realize you have to make a full transition from doing everything yourself to having the team do it with you and it's not just having the team do the things you don't want to do anymore. It's having a team do most of what you do well and that's why I gave the numbers don't lie. The numbers of the United States are crazy. Check this out. There's 29 million businesses in the United States under a 100,000, $22 million under a million 25 million. So when you are. Sorry, 26 million. So when you look at the population of businesses in the United States, 26 million are under $1,000,000 out of 29 million and so the numbers don't lie. Most entrepreneurs never get there. If you get over a million dollars, you're part of the three percent club. Three percent of businesses overall that are ever started getting to a million dollars or more. That's why clickfunnels is so crazy because the fact that click funnels isn't just like the fastest growing business I've ever observed and one of the craziest Unicorns that's ever out there, but it's a million dollar business factory. I don't think that's ever existed in the history of the world before.

Speaker 2:     16:41       No, we've again, it's because of people like you. It's because of a lot of. We have over right now. We were, in fact when you were in her office, we were kind of counting and as far as on the walls, the different plaques. So we're now just cross over 373, two comma club award winners and we just got our 27th application for eight figure awards and so you started adding all this up and I forget what the actual number was you and I came up with when you're in the office, but I mean it's literally billions of dollars a business that's been created and I think the part that I loved the most, especially as you take a look at your billionaire code, is the ability for a person who wants to move. And again, not all entrepreneurs do. They you get comfortable and there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2:     17:25       But for a person who really wants to get to that next level, whether it's from 300,000 to $700 from a million to three or from 3 million to 10, for those who really want to do it, there are people like you who can help you actually make that kind of thing happen. And I think the part I'm most excited about as far as clickfunnels is we've been fortunate to attract people like you and others and who it. Because they're here, it's becoming this magnet magnetism of others who all of a sudden come to clickfunnels. And I was literally just buying a domain and the company I was buying the domain from my. Anytime I buy a domain, I never tell them who I am.

Speaker 2:     18:04       I've learned that you could ever get an email from j Levi Parker, that's kind of mine. Chris Brown. So it was funny because, um, we finally negotiated the terms and then his secretary was a big financial service company and they own this domain that we really wanted. And she finally says, now what's the email? And I told her the email. She goes, what's your name? I said, oh Dave. She goes, why is it j? Levi Parker? I'm like, Oh crap, I totally screwed that up. My name, here's my real name. And she goes, wait a second, hold on. And she puts me on the phone with the CEO who were buying the domain from. He goes, is this Dave Woodward from clickfunnels? I said, yeah. He goes, we love click funnels. And I'm like, Oh my God, I'm glad to know that now. But you'd probably charge more if you.

Speaker 2:     18:54       He asked me and I'm glad that we didn't find that out up front and they actually did ask for a free click funnel hacking live ticket and the negotiation. But uh, no. My only reason I'm saying that is I think it's interesting as you take a look, this was a financial services company and I never would've thought click on those would apply to them. But again, these guys they're doing that this year it'll be about 12 to $15 million and they're using a product and yet at the same time what has got them there is people and systems. And I think it's one of the greatest skill sets that you've offered to so many other people. And I want to make sure that people who are listening, you've mentioned already the billionaire code. So if you want to go to the billionaire and download that, highly highly recommend it.

Speaker 2:     19:35       It's one of the greatest things out there as far as really the part I love most. Alex is in one sheet of seeing from zero to $100, million and little. You can find out where you're at and the part I like most about it is you could be, even though it's all columns, rows and columns, but all of a sudden you might be in one column but in a different role and you go, wait a second, I'm behind in these areas and you see where your weaknesses are and because that you're able to make those changes super fast. The other thing is if you didn't, if you haven't heard Alex's billionaire code, if you get a ticket funnel hacking live, you actually, we will send you the recordings from last year and I. It's one of my favorite presentations to be honest with you. I love anytime you speak, you have this unbelieve seeing you on stage.

Speaker 2:     20:18       As much as it's cool watching you here and we're doing this podcast, but seeing you on stage, it's a totally different element. You are. You just come alive and it's the coolest thing for me to see because you pour so much into the audience. I mean, you're, you were born to be on stage. It's the coolest thing ever because of the way in which you give and you care so much because you connect so much better with the people as you see them. It's just you have this personal relationship with them. It's really a neat thing. For me. I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a complete introvert, like in real life. But um, I learned very young how to speak

Speaker 3:     20:48       it. I love public speaking. It's one of my favorite things in the world. This is what you and Russell at the same, same exact way. Total introverts. You put you on stage and oh my gosh. It's like nobody believes I'm an introvert, but you know, I, I used to have a debilitating stutter. I had. So for anybody listening who's like, oh, I don't think I could ever speak on stage a lot. Younger English was my second language. So I had a crazy accent that I used to get made fun of for in school. I used to stutter because I was really, I had a hard time talking in front of people. I'm dyslexic, so if I ever had to read in public, it was really hard. It sounded like I didn't know how to read, but it was just the words were moving around on the page and um, you know, I, I learned how to speak in high school with my speech coach and getting the opportunity to speak on a stage like click funnels, funnel hacking live.

Speaker 3:     21:38       It's crazy. There's so much energy in that room when you say you build a relationship with the audience in that room, they build a relationship with you. Well, thank you. Love 5,000 people that are dying to have a relationship with you, Alex. so one thing I'd want to make sure we touch on, and I think because it applies to anybody, no matter where they are in your billionaire code and that is your time study. Yeah. Kind of going into that real quick. Only because I was the worst person in the world on that and I hate this, but it's a life changer. So this is, you know, I've been a consultant for over 20 years and I use strategies that work and it doesn't matter how difficult they are, it doesn't matter how confronting they are. To me, it's how do we get the biggest result with the least amount of time and one of the things that we, we inventory as entrepreneurs is money.

Speaker 3:     22:22       We all like we look at how much money we're making but we don't really look at what we're doing with our time. And so how do you inventory your time, take that data and improve what you're doing with your time. Because at the end of the day, your success is the sum of what you focus on. And until you can inventory where your focus is, you don't know what's really going on. So what we have people do in our programs and in our company like Haley right now, my assistant is doing it, two wait time study. She writes everything down that she's doing in 15 minutes and then commence. And anybody can do this. You write it down in 15 minute increments for two weeks. And what will happen is in the first couple of days, you'll already start modifying your behavior, but at the end of two weeks, right at the end of two weeks, you'll have a full inventory of where you spent your time for a two week period.

Speaker 3:     23:07       And then here's what we have people do. Go through that inventory and mark, was it strategic or tactical? And as an entrepreneur, the more time you spend in strategy versus tactics, the more you're going to grow your business. And most entrepreneurs are over 90 percent tactical in any given week. And for me like this podcast with you, this is strategy. This is strategic. I'm the only one in the business that I would want to have do this. But setting up the time for the podcast, setting up the appointment, put it into the calendar, all those things. Somebody else did all of that for me. I just showed up and click the button. And so at the end of a two week time study, you really know where you are. And I think, you know, I, I often share with people your story that we were talking and you were asking me for strategies and then I shared the time studying and you're like, okay, I'm going to do that. And then two days later I get a voicemail where you're like, I just want you to know I kind of hate you.

Speaker 2:     23:58       I totally, I really do that. Oh yeah. And I think the other part I do want you to talk about, and that's the four rs I'm going through right now and I'm creating for ours, for my, my role here at click funnels. And it's been fascinating for me as I've been doing this. As I look at the four rs with my time study, it totally changing the game because I'm like, oh my gosh. Even though that is what I'm classified with, strategy, I don't need to be the person doing that strategic thing and I can have someone else do it. Which was kind of, it was mine. Again, I'm still struck. I haven't completed my forearms right now. I'll have it done by tomorrow, but it's been fascinating for me to see that a lot of things that I thought I still needed to be doing, I don't. So if you don't mind, can you explain what the four r's are? Absolutely days. So, um, you know,

Speaker 3:     24:49       in most positions in the world do you have a job description and a job description is usually like one or two paragraphs describing what somebody does in a role in our organization and the organizations we coach, we found one or two paragraphs woefully inadequate. And what we want to be able to do is give somebody a very clear idea of exactly what we want from the person. So whether you're recruiting or managing a team member, we use what we call a four r document, its role. That's where most job descriptions start. Stop. So we have a paragraph about the role, then we have responsibilities. What are the exact responsibilities that that person has? Then the results, what results is that person driving? And then the last thing is the requirements. And so for example, for a salesperson, you might have a rule that says, you know, this is an inside salesperson, they're going to be available full time, remote remotely located, they're going to call it on high ticket clients, and then in the responsibilities it's making 100 calls a week, having this level of conversions, this is how many actual live calls they have to have, and then in results it's driving x number of dollars in business a week and then you know exactly what the results that they should have the right client bringing in the right Avatar, making sure that there's not a high return rates, high retention rate, and then the last thing in requirements for sales might be excellent phone communication skills, excellent written skills.

Speaker 3:     26:10       And so once you have that all built out, if you're recruiting, you are so likely to find the right person because it's very clear. And then this is the only document that we know of that you can take from recruiting right into the position.

Speaker 2:     26:24       So it becomes a tool you find them with and you lead them with. I think that's the part you just said there. I for me has been the part I've enjoyed the most because I'm actually the people who work for me now I'm asking them to create their four r document and it has been so mind opening for not only for me because they're doing some things on there that that's not part of their role or the responsibilities and and other things that I thought they knew where their responsibilities don't even show up anywhere on, on the document.

Speaker 2:     26:56       So again, anyone who's listening, if you have somebody who is works for you, and again, I think even if it's you're an assistant, it doesn't matter who it is. Impact. Yeah. I think you're crazy. These days. I, I fight all structure. I just innate in me to fight it. I just ate it, but it's been for me. The thing that has helped me the most is working with people like yourself, Alex. I'm like, okay, I gotta get into this thing and I have to realize that the structure actually is what's going to help me get to the next level. I mean, we'll do $100 million this year and you and I had the conversation earlier as far as, you know, Dave, who do you want to be and where do you want to lead? And for me, I know there's no way I can lead or be involved in a company that had $100,000,000 level unless I change who I am. And it kind of goes back to the, you know, the proverbial thing people have got you here will never get you there or at least the situations you're in, you have to change. And for me the best way of changing has been this for our document. It's been a great, great opportunity. Do you have any resources where people can go to get that or understand a better? Um, you know,

Speaker 3:     28:02       we, we teach that in all of our programs. So if you go to a billionaire or if you download the entrepreneurial, not download, sorry, if you buy a free plus shipping copy of the entrepreneurial personality type book, um, we will, we'll, we'll give you in our follow up sequence. We talk about where the for our documents are, where, where we, where we have all these resources. In fact if somebody wants to, they can go to free momentum book dot Com and get that. And by the way, I now have a funnel there that were, that I'm willing to share on funnel hacker radio because last year when I spoke at funnel hacking live, real funnels weren't quite there yet, but now we're very proud of the funnels were putting out. Um, we've got some pretty incredible click funnels now.

Speaker 2:     28:43       Well, I think the coolest thing is the fact that, uh, if you haven't listened to Alex's podcast, a highly, highly recommend that you do as far as the momentum podcast, he actually, I have to give Kudos to him. He hit the, he got to the million dollar or the million downloads level faster than I have. I'm not there yet, so please support me and get me to the millions so I can come back and to be like, one point three, one, I'm, I think I'm around 900,000 and you started six months after me on a podcast and you're doing it like every day though. I mean I've got like 300, 85, 400. It's crazy. So it's just sheer volume.

Speaker 2:     29:20       That's a lot of content, but the coolest thing honestly is I highly recommend you guys go check out the momentum podcast. It's what Alex contributes and gives is just amazing things for any entrepreneur to really help. And what I love is they're short the quick and it's stuff that people can implement that day and I think that's the, that's the secret. Does fast implementation. So again, we've talked about the whole idea as far as why you cannot, why can't sell your way out of your problems. Talk About for our document talking about time studies. Anything else you want to make sure we cover here in a few minutes before I let you get back to your day?

Speaker 3:     29:55       Uh, you know, Dave, I think, I think we've pretty much covered it. You know, I have this saying that I share with business owners, your business is broken and if things go well, it always will be. And here's what I mean by that. You know, volume creates complexity and success creates deficits. And so as a business owner, you don't want a perfect business. What you want is you want a system and a team and a structure that is adaptable and can cover complexity and filling deficits. And I think that there's far too many business owners today, they think that some day they're not gonna have any problems. I would look at it differently. I wouldn't tell you all embrace the issues in your business, chase them down, hunt them down, solve them. And that's how you really grow a company by pretending like there aren't issues by, by wanting to perfect business, by trying to drive the problems out of your business, you're actually creating the biggest constraint you possibly can. So just remember, success creates deficits and volume creates complexity. What you want a team is a team and an organization that can cover both and you'll get to the level you want to as an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2:     30:58       I love it. So everyone check out billionaire Make sure you follow Alex on his momentum podcast and by all means, if you have not bought a ticket to funnel hacking live, go there right now. Buy Your ticket. You do not want to Miss Alex on stage. This guy literally gives his whole heart and soul to anybody he comes in contact with. So the great thing about actually being with Alex at funnel hacking live is you're one of the most approachable people in the world, which is just, I mean, it's such an amazing thing for me to see how willing you are to give and share during the full three days, not just the time you're on stage, but as people I've seen you in the hall talking to people and you just give and give and you give and you give. So the only way you get that is by going to funnel hacking Spend time with Alex. it will literally bless your life. He's always blessed mine and it's been an honor to spend time with he and his wife and his two daughters. It's always fun. So Alex, Ian, thank you a ton. Any parting words here before we go

Speaker 3:     31:49       now just say how your family for me, you're a constant source of inspiration and I love you man and I appreciate you having me on three. Pete. Now

Speaker 2:     31:59       one. Thanks so much. I think so. I think someone trademark that. It's A. I probably owe some money on three people. We'll talk to you. Bye.

Speaker 4:     32:12       Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic there's you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview. I'm more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 23, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Pete:

Pete Vargas is an entrepreneur who helps people grow their businesses and spread their message through stages. He is the founder and CEO of Advance Your Reach, an organization with a shared vision of impacting 1 billion people across 7 spheres of influence. Since 2003, he and his team have booked over 25,000 stages worldwide–and generated tens of millions of dollars of revenue through those stages.

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Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to [inaudible]

Speaker 2:     00:18         radio. I am your host Dave Woodward and I am so, so excited. I've got a dear friend of mine I want to bring on and the reason I want to bring him on his. I was actually out at his event and while I was there and I rarely paid to go to people's events anymore these days, but this one we actually paid to go to because of the value that I wanted to make sure we got from him and while I was out there at his event, I wanted to make sure that I had him on my podcast so he could share the same types of things with you and give you the opportunity to actually get involved with something like this. So without any further delays here, I want to bring on a dear friend of mine, Mr Pete Vargas. Welcome to show bud. Hey Man, I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 2:     00:56         Thank you for having me. I'm stoked and just absolutely love you man. Well, I am so excited. Again, for those of you guys just don't know Pete. He's got a company called advance your reach. It's actually why we went out. A lot of you guys have heard. We actually are in the process of starting our own speaking team and even though Russell spoken on literally hundreds of stages and we've done literally thousands of Webinars, I was, we started looking at trying to systematize actual speaking and using, speaking to build our business. I thought there was no one better that I could bring on than Pe. So I flew myself and Chris who runs Chris now runs our, uh, our speaking team, flew him and myself and miles out to Colorado to spend three days with Pete and his team to learn really about how do you land stages, how can you use stages in your business, how can you actually use a stage to build your business by providing massive value and really you state using.

Speaker 2:     01:47         For us, we're looking at using stages to scale and I know for a lot of you guys who are in the situation or listening to podcasts, some of you are sitting there going, I don't know. I haven't even. I've never done a stage presentation. How would I do that? Pete's going to answer that for you today. For those of you guys who were in Russell situation where you sit there going, the last thing I want to do is actually get on more stages. He's going to tell you how you can actually create a speaker team like what we're doing and do the exact same thing. Again, I'm you guys don't want to hear from me. What you really want to hear from is my friend who I'm so excited to have on the show. Again, Mr Pete Bargas. So Pete, let's kind of talk about what you refer to now as this one, our launch.

Speaker 2:     02:19         What the heck is a one hour lunch? Yeah, so let me just tell you that one. Our launch, we're the one hour launched was birthed for me, like that's an important piece to understand. I, as you know, as a youth pastor and I brought speakers in because I didn't want to speak on the stage and so I brought these speakers in and I remember showed up my first Wednesday night. There were three kids there and I thought, how am I going to grow my youth ministry, which is going to be equivalent to how you're going to grow your business. And so what we did, Dave, is I brought in speakers and in one hour I saw my kids get so moved and inspired that they, the youth group just continued to grow, grow, grow, grow, grow. We went from three kids to 750 kids in a town of 12,000 from bringing in over 30 over the course

Speaker 3:     03:00         of four years. And our youth group just grew. And I saw the magic in one hour on a stage and the action that my kids took. One of those speakers, as you know, his daughter was the first girl killed at Columbine in 99. And he came and spoke and he came and he said, you know, there's five people that you need to let them know how much you love them because you don't know how long they're going to be here on earth with you. And I couldn't help but think any said some of them you're not in good standings with. So he, I couldn't help but think about my dad. I hated my dad because of what he had done to me. And so growing up as a kid. So that night I begged my dad to come back to the 90 defense and all of a sudden at the night event, my dad came back.

Speaker 3:     03:39         He heard the speaker speak. We had tried for a decade. Everything, counseling church, his siblings constantly saying, you got to make things right with your son. And in one hour on a stage, one hour on a stage, it prompted my dad to write me a letter and say, I'm sorry for the father up then here my son is having an impact on hundreds of kids lives and I can have an impact on my only son's life. And he asked me for a second chance to do things right. I called that man, now this is important for the list because I said, dude, you did something in one hour that nothing could happen that put my head in the last decade wouldn't happen for my dad, which is a lot like our business. We tried so many things that don't work or they take forever to work and in one hour things can change as you get on a stage.

Speaker 3:     04:23         So I called him and I said, why aren't you getting this out there to everybody? He's like, I'm trying this, I'm trying this. I'm trying this, who's trying a lot of things? And I'm like, get on a stage with your ideal clients in the crowd for one hour and watch what begins to happen. I don't know what the listeners, ideal crowd, they know who it is, but his ideal crowd was principals and superintendents. That's what his ideal crowd was because they were the decision makers who controlled the budgets. So the very first stage I put them on, I was like, Ooh, I hope this works. And because I figured out how do I land this stage, how do I make him great on the stage and how do I make sure that this is one of the biggest customer acquisition channels that exist because that's where he's going to change their lives.

Speaker 3:     05:03         So I got to my first stage, I worked my system back in 2003. I've been working at cents 500 educators in the room. We couldn't make an offer. Five hundred educators in our later 450 of them were turning in a physical piece of paper, what we call a contact card because we lead collected by giving away a free gift for 150 are turning in papers. And in the next two weeks, 70 to 80 new clients paying three to $5,000, just shy of a quarter of a million dollars in one hour in the last year, struggling with everything in this business. He had done $52,000 in the last year. Now here's what happened with him and it's very much like Russell, very, very much like Russell. He started getting big. It started being recognized in the educational system and he couldn't be that, so a lot of you out there solo preneurs or if it's just you on your team and you're trying to really be like, what could I do it start with stages like Russell built click funnels with being on Webinars, you know, he did webinars, there's offline and there's online stages, but here's what happened with them and what's happened with Russell's.

Speaker 3:     06:09         He got too busy and he couldn't be on all of the stages that we're requesting for him. So what did we do? We created a presentation that duplicated past him. We told the stories to company's story on the front end. We talked about the content. Everybody shared the same content in the middle, but at the beginning of the presentation we mentioned the company story and then how the company's story connected to the speaker and then the rest of the presentation was the same for every single one of those speakers. Dave, before it was all said and done, not only did he grow the organization from $50,000 to $7 million in the educational system, which might not sound like a lot on an annual basis, but they don't have budgets.

Speaker 2:     06:49         That's huge. It's huge.

Speaker 3:     06:51         Fifty two speakers out in any given year, sharing one presentation for one hour driving business, so whether it's somebody who wants to do it on their own and go to attract more customers, or if you're like, man, I'm like Darryl and Russell and I don't want to be on the road anymore. I get too many requests. Then build a team of people that can go do it, but here's what stages does it expedites the sales cycle in 60 minutes. A lot of people, it might take them six, nine, 12 months to consume 60 minutes of content online, but when you've got a captive audience, it's called the one our launch because you've got their undivided attention for 60 minutes and we know what can happen when you get on a stage for 60 minutes.

Speaker 2:     07:33         I love it and I think people part I love the most is for one, your passion behind this. I get chills. I've heard you tell that story. I think six different times that I can think of about you and your dad and I get chills every single time because you have this ability to put yourself back in that actual moment to actually experience and have the person who's listening to you experienced the same feelings, the same raw emotions that you were going through right then and it's such a skill set that I think too often a lot of us getting this idea as far as you start telling instead of of of actually sharing and telling stories and as you know, you don't have joked all the time as far as you know, facts tell and stories sell and you're a. You are the master at when it comes to actually getting stories that have impact for people to then use those stories in their, in their presentation to connect with people.

Speaker 2:     08:23         And that's one of the things I love and I was out there to readmit learning from you and just seeing the way that you are so good at connecting with people beat. The one thing I know that a lot of our listeners, they've heard about this whole perfect webinar script from Russell for forever. And so we've talked a lot about webinars. The one part I want to, if you don't mind kind of address is this idea as far as how you made mention that they were able to delete, collect meaning collect when you typically couldn't sell. Most everyone I know when they think of going to speak on stage, it's a 50 slash 50 split. This is one of the things you kept slapping me in the face. And Dave, hey wait, there's

Speaker 3:     08:56         more, there's more. You actually can make more money not selling directly on stage. So if you don't mind kind of explore and explain to people how they actually can use that to build their business when they can't sell. So when you can't sell, there's two things that you're either in your presentation, your co, the we have, uh, we believe in your presentation that you start with the heart and you connect with people you teach and while you're teaching, you're embedding and you're sharing case studies and you're doing all of that. You're basically selling during the year, but you're teaching, you're teaching. But then in the call to action, the only difference between when you can sell and you can't sell as you're either collecting order forms, you're collecting leads when you can sell your collecting order forms. And that's the speak to sell world. And it's only one of four types of stages that you get.

Speaker 3:     09:39         Five types of stages that you can get on the speak to sell world. When you can't sell, you're collecting contact information by giving away a free gift. You give a free gift the way that gets them from a to B, not a to z because nobody's gonna read your book and nobody's gonna go look at your slides, but they will consume a piece of content for 10 minutes that will move them from a to b and when they see that piece of content that moves them from a to B, how to get a date in the next week, how to rent your house and save $10,000 a year, how to go when your first stage in 24 hours and they get that a to b all of a sudden how to build a funnel and in in one day or 10 minutes, you know when they get that a to b, they're like, oh my God, that's his or her aid to be what is going to be there a to Z. Guess who the A to z is here, the ADC and so after that free event, you're following up for 10 to 15 days with automation, with click funnels and you will begin to see sales close.

Speaker 3:     10:39         If it's a low ticket item, it's all automated. If it's a high ticket item, it's phone calls and one of the things that I get the biggest compliment for today on three different interviews, they said, Pete, you opened our eyes to the fact that I can't believe I never thought I could use a stage to sell an eight, 15 or $25,000 product. And then I saw you do it. I just did it at Jj Virgin's event. We couldn't sell in our first session date. We had a hundred and 10 people in the room. We gave free gift away. We did strategy sessions on site. We did 105 strategy sessions out of 110 people in the room and we saw 40 of them go deeper with us and then in the next two weeks we saw another doesn't go deeper with us. After that, you know, another 10 or 12 go deeper with us after that.

Speaker 3:     11:29         That's an unbelievable stage. And guess what, there's no splits. You know, there's no splits and that's the beautiful thing. And so I love the five types of stages. Yes, you can get paid when you get paid your lead collecting. Yes. You can do free events when you do free. Eventually collecting. Yes. You can do speak to sell. When you're doing speak to sell, there's a 50 slash 50, 60 slash 40 type of split. Yes. You can sponsored stages where you pay a fee and you get to keep 100 percent of your money or you're like click funnels, and I love this. How they built click funnels is by doing their own stages. They did, I don't know how many webinars in the first year to launch this baby, but they did their own stages and so that's the powers you. There's four of those that you can be on other people's stages and one of them is your own stage stage.

Speaker 2:     12:18         I love your passion. I love how good you are, what you do, and I think the part I. I had so much fun when we're together at your, at your event, was really diving deep into all four of those. Again, human, it's we. We've done a ton as far as webinars and we've really spent a lot of time on the 50 slash 50 side, but it was the other sides that I was fascinated about, especially as we start building out a speaker team is this ability to to land stages where we may be sponsoring or were there actually is free, which I'm still. I still need to hire you more on that so we'll work out the details of that later, but for me that the real benefit is to really understand how large the opportunity is. I think too often a lot of us in the online funnel world, we think of just webinars or or being at an event and just speaking and splitting it 50 slash 50.

Speaker 2:     13:05         There's such a much more broad opportunity out there and it's really why I wanted to have you on this podcast is to help people understand you're missing the boat. There's so much more opportunity. It's really why, again, pizza whole idea as far as this one, our launch formula or a workshop is set up for that one reason to really allow people the opportunity saying, listen, you actually can build your business in multiple ways besides just webinars and and a typical 50 slash 50 type of a Jv partnership type of thing. So if you don't mind, I know we've just got a few more minutes here. What are some of the things? First of all, I want to make sure people understand how they can get this. So what are they going to get? How do they get it? Where do they go? Yeah, so I'd encourage people.

Speaker 3:     13:44         Well, the goal was to one our launch workshops, spell one out o n e one our launch, and we're going to show you how to actually use stages and to grow your business. We're going to show you what to do on the stage. Most importantly, we're going to show you how to get on this. Actually not most importantly, that's the easy part. How do you get on the stage and most importantly, how do you attract customers from those stages? Because Zig Ziglar said, I've never changed someone's life with a speaking Gig, but sometimes they buy my tapes and cassettes and I got a shot at changing their lives. What? Zig understood because the data showed him the data. Meaning his son told me a couple of weeks ago, Pete that had data to prove that dad knew that stages didn't change their lives because out of every hundred testimonies that came in, only one of them was about him impacting them on the stage.

Speaker 3:     14:33         Ninety nine of them were about the products and services that they invested in him with. So that's why we want stages because in one hour to expedite it exponentially exponentially expedites the sales cycle. And so the last part of what we're going to be teaching people is how to actually create customers in all of these different types of stages exist. And so we're giving away thousands access to thousands of stages and we'll be interviewing over 30 meeting planners who control thousands of stages all across the world. So you understand what they think as they're hiring speakers, so that's the one, our launch that we're going to be doing the next couple of weeks and I'm really excited about a day, but you asked a good question. You said, what? What is this opportunity with stages in you have you have this opportunity? There's this, there's this pyramid that you can say, I either want to go do on other people's stages or I want to do my own stages.

Speaker 3:     15:25         Both are right. The answer is both are right, but what you're doing other people's or your own. There are eight different offline stages that exist in eight different online stages that exist and if you can just begin to build a portfolio of one, two, or three of the offline and one, two, or three of the online, it becomes powerful. And the thing is people in the Internet marketing space typically only know about a few of those like the speak to sell once, but there's associations, there's a huge association stages. There's seminar stages, there's local stages, there's end user stages, there's media stages, there's masterminds, there's eight different offline stages, and then there's eight different online stages. There's webinars, there's trainings, there's online media, there's podcasts, there's summit's, there's all of these stages that exist and what we basically are showing you how to do is how do you go get on other people's stages and I'll tell you the key is when they realize that you can solve a problem for their community, they'll open it up for you to be on their stage.

Speaker 3:     16:27         Dasia dates, letting me do a round table at clip, at funnel hacking live because he knows I'll provide value because he's seen me and what I provide and so there's this opportunity. J Dave have stages that exist everywhere and the big thing that will get really clear on the in the, in the, in this launch workshop is what's your stage portfolio? Because for Russell it's two to three offline stages a year and that's it. But for the speaking team, it's hundreds of stages for them. You know, for me this year it was 17 to 18 offline stages and I did 125 online stages, kind of like Russell did they get click funnels starting next year. That'll shift for me because now I have three speakers that are going out on my behalf to for Stu Mclaren. He's like, dude, I want to do four stages and I want them to be for big stages and that's it, and that will move the needle in his business on a big way. So for everybody in the season of life they're in, I want you to understand that this is so many stages and you don't even realize how many exists and we're gonna help you get really clear on your portfolio in this training.

Speaker 2:     17:33         I love it. For me, one of the things I get the most out of you, pete, is the idea as far as expanding my mindset with how many additional opportunities there were, and then the other thing was exactly how to get on those stages. I think a lot of the people I talk to says, well, I've got my presentation and I questioned whether you really do, but I'll leave that to let him deal with that. Whether you have your presentation pizza deal, but one thing I can't say that pizza, amazing that is helping you actually get on stages and teaching you how to get on stages. As I mentioned, we've hired will have probably some of the neighborhood of 15, 15, possibly even 20 different speakers this year to try to get on 500 stages and in 2019 and it's all because of pete and his skill set and helping us get on those stages.

Speaker 2:     18:15         That's allowing us to basically have a complete huge event team that's going to be going out this year again to spread click funnels, message to the world and we're so excited to be working with Pete and with advanced have reached team and really spending that kind of time. I can tell you if for me, if I was to, you and I talked back and forth as far as my past and different boards. I've been involved in real estate. I've been involved in financial services I can tell and a lot of internet marketing, every single business I've ever been in has always had a speaking component to it and it's the only way you can truly scale a business, so understanding that those guys who are listening right now, if you have a product or a service and you think you're just doing it online, I can tell you you can 10 to 20 times what you're doing online by adding the speaking component to it.

Speaker 2:     18:59         There's. You get so much more credibility. You have so much more of an authority figure when you start speaking and talking to people and they hear you, they see you. They connect. It's a relationship built. I mean, I go on and on about the importance of stages. It's again against the whole reason why a higher peak was to help us take our stages to the next level. So again, if you guys are in that situation where you're trying to scale your business, you're trying to add additional revenue, by all means, check it out. Again, it's a one hour launch workshop against one hour long. H O u r launch workshop, is that right?

Speaker 3:     19:29         Yeah, one hour launch And Dave, what I would say, and I got a funny story with data, but like I want to really. I've got a really funny story. I want to drive home like the power of the one hour launch, like forget that one our launch. So Dave calls me a couple of years ago. He's been, he's become a friend of mine. Like I'm so glad that Keith Yackey introduced us. We're going to be doing something cool this year at an event and we're going to be doing a lot of cool things, but in being able to help the speaking team, but they've called me a couple of years ago, a year and a half ago, year and seven months ago. I was like, dude, you never believe it. We just did 900 k on this stage and a lot of you know that because it was the first time at 10 x.

Speaker 3:     20:07         and I'm like, all right, he's just motivated me. So watch this. No, this is fun. And you've helped a lot of organizations or individuals go from zero to six using state agency or to seven zero to eight overall in their business. And we've never taken seeing someone go from zero to nine, I believe. I believe click funnels can be that organization. But here's the thing. We've seen a lot. We had seen a few million dollar stages at that point. I had seen it from our clients and I'm like okay, he did 900 k, I had a big stage coming up this January, this past January. And I'm like okay, I just want to be able to tell Dave what I did. And so Michael Phelps was the opening keynote. Howie Mendell was the closing keynote. I was the in the middle of that.

Speaker 3:     20:49         And by the way, they treat me dates. They paid me to be on that stage because of the value I provide and they let me talk about my products and services. And when it was all set in that said and done, that was a seven figure stage. We did over a million dollars from that stage. And I was like, yes, the one hour and I got Dave and Russell and then obviously all of you know the story, like I know Russell doesn't do physical stages much, but when he does, I think that's a commercial, but when he does a million dollars plus in, I am so excited to see what Russell does this year as well. And so like, look at your leader. He built his company in the first year on digital stages. Look at them in physical stages. When he does them, he knocks it out of the park, the one our launch really works. And so dave, thanks for having me. I love to have a lot of people join us in that one hour launch workshop name.

Speaker 2:     21:46         I love it again. So it's one our launch Go there, check it out. Uh, for one it's built on click funnels or it better be right. Maybe it's

Speaker 3:     21:55         well pieces of it or not. So yes, I'm a, I'm a two comma club guy.

Speaker 2:     22:07         I would love to get you to our eight feet. I should've had a ring here that, uh, I just, in fact, we just got a new ring for Russell actually as I'll show it to you later.

Speaker 3:     22:17         Hey, that stage I just talked about, for me, that stage was one with a click funnels page. They actually scheduled a call to see if they wanted me as a speaker on a clickfunnels page because our stage campaign is all built within clickfunnels self. Man, it's, I'm a big advocate of Cleveland.

Speaker 2:     22:34         It's just fun for me. I can tell you again, I bet you were such a dear friend and I love spending time with you. I appreciate. I know you're limited in the middle of the launch right now and I know how busy things are. You've got a million other interviews and podcasts and stuff going on. I appreciate you taking the time today. Again, people, anyone who's listened to this, I hold back anything that does these days, it's been so much fun. Uh, we actually are a crazy yacht coming up here with him and all this other stuff. He's always sucking money out of me some way or the other. Anyways, bottom line is again, go ahead and check out one hour launch I regardless, you've got to be doing stages and if you're not exactly sure how to do it. Pizza. The Guy I hired him and I totally. That'd be opportunity spending time out there with both Chris and miles. Spend three days with them. God knows what he's talking about when it comes to stage it, so check out one hour launch workshop. Again, Pete, always so much fun having any other parting words before we let you go.

Speaker 3:     23:31         Oh Man. Dave, thanks so much and I just thank y'all for. I'm excited to see click funnels in 2019 and the game plan that you have with this powerhouse speaking teams. So

Speaker 2:     23:41         thanks man. We'll talk soon. All right everybody, thank you so much for taking

Speaker 4:     23:46         the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if there's people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 18, 2018

If you lost everything in your business, who would you turn to? Dave discusses the importance of relationships, providing value to people, and the 5:1 Ratio rule of thumb to go by.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • What is relationship capital? (0:50)
  • If you lost everything, who would you turn to? (8:00)
  • Relationship Deposits (9:45)

Quotable Moments:

"If you go into a relationship with the idea that you are keeping score, you are always, always going to lose."



Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Welcome back everybody. I'm so excited to be sharing this topic with you. This is one of my favorite things personally. It's one of the things I've been seen so much of recently. I want to make sure you guys really understand and feel the importance of this, this major topic that so many people get wrong and I've seen recently two or three instances on both sides, those people who just crushed it and those people who totally screwed it up. So what I want to talk to you guys about right now is what is the return on your relationships or what is relationship capital? Relationship capital is really one of the most important things people screw up all the time.

Speaker 1:     00:51         Uh, as most you guys know, I'm actually, I've hired jerrick robbins as a, as a personal coach and uh, been going through a whole bunch of different things with him and in my own personal life as well as my business life. And, and one thing she was talking about is the importance of relationships. So he and I go deep onto this topic recently and everything as far as marriage and business, a kid, just all sorts of crazy stuff. And one of the things he was referencing was the Gottman Institute. So the Gottman Institute, those you guys aren't familiar with it? Uh, basically they studied 3000 different couples over the course of almost, I think it was like 20 years. And what they found was that literally within about three to four minutes of watching a couple, they could tell almost like a 94 percent, 95 percent accuracy whether that couple would get a divorce.

Speaker 1:     01:38         And it all came down to one thing. And that was the ratio of positive to negative things they talked about. In other words, the way in which they communicated with each other as a spouse, what they found was really came down to for every negative thing a person said about their spouse. If there was at least five or more positive things, they had this communication skills and respect for each other that they actually would be able to work through anything and saved their marriage when it was less than that magic number of five. Those were the types of relationships or marriages that they realized most likely we're going to end up in divorce and we started talking about this analogy and really started looking at as far as the way in which it applies to other types of relationships and what happened recently. For those of you who have followed my facebook pages, my facebook lives.

Speaker 1:     02:24         I had a crazy situation happened to where a guy basically hijacked a domain that we had trademarked and everything else and I've been going back and forth on this thing with them and trying to just offered to buy it back and was basically extorting. You know, running a ton of money. Seven figures type of value for something that we had already used and so I was struggling with exactly how to deal with this. I was trying to be nice about it. Finally just said, you know what? We're gonna have to turn this over somebody else and let them deal with it. The interesting thing was his whole reason for wanting to charge us so much as he wanted to build a relationship with us and like, what? You got to be kidding me. How in the world would charging me a ton of money for something that is already ours.

Speaker 1:     03:06         Build a relationship. I don't get that. He says, well, you don't have to have the opportunity to basically working through this and I become a two comma club, winter and and I know how much you guys talk about you. You call him a couple of winters and I'm like, dude, you don't get it. You don't get how this whole relationship thing works. And literally within about a week after that, we were with a guy a couple months earlier at an event and we had been talking about some of the software and things that he's using and basically just call and say, hey, you know what, I'd like to just give you my software for free. And we're like, what? Because yeah, I just realized if I give this software to you for free, you guys are better at marketing and as you talk about it and use it, it actually will draw more people to me and my business and you'll win and all, there'll be a wind wind and I just would like to offer you this software for free.

Speaker 1:     03:55         And I'm like, holy cow, this guy gets relationships. And then I had another situation where I was at an event and this guy basically came back and said, well, you know, Dave, you kind of owe me on this one. I'm like, I owe you. What are you talking about it? And he started going through this list of all the things that he thought that he had done for me that I didn't even realize he had even done, and unfortunately I didn't even perceive that much value to what he was giving credit to and therefore because of what he had done, he felt like he then owed it to me that the or the I owed him this favor that he was asking for. And I'm just trying to be vague here to protect the other people involved in the situations. But the whole idea behind this is if you go into a relationship with this idea that you're keeping score, you are always always going to lose.

Speaker 1:     04:46         You will always, always lose. You. Always be disappointed and frustrated because if you're going into the same as you're keeping score, there's no way you can come up on top because you'll always. You'll find yourself either you're either in the hole and you have a deficit and where you're trying to do things to make up for that deficit. Or you're going to be a situation where you feel like people owe you and you're gonna. Start looking down on them and and really just taken away from what's valuable there. So what I want to talk to you about here is relationship capital and to understand it's kind of like what is the return on your mom and what's the return on if you had. What's the Roi of your mom? I'm like, dude, there's no way in there. My mom is totally invaluable to me. I, I can't even begin to express the amount of gratitude that I feel towards my mom.

Speaker 1:     05:34         There's no one in this world who is helped me when I was one my back was up against the wall where I really had no idea where to turn to. She's been there for me for all the time and like there's, it's infinite there really I. There is nothing my mom can't ask for that. I wouldn't drop everything to be there for her. And I've thought a lot about this whole idea as far as when you go into relationships, and I see this happen a lot a years ago, especially in the whole affiliate marketing world where everything was reciprocal marketing mean you promote for me, I'll promote for you. And I'm like, Gosh, after awhile it got to the point where all we had were a whole bunch of incestuous list and there was no value in the list. And the unfortunate people got hurt the most were those people that we're supposed to care about the most.

Speaker 1:     06:20         And that's where the members and the people we were serving and protecting and spending a whole bunch of time trying to build relationships with and became this whole list grab type of thing. And what I realized when we started clickfunnels was we were not going to have reciprocal promotions. And Oh my gosh, let me tell you the amount of pain that caused in the beginning when you're out there asking them to promote for you. And they turn around and say, well, you need to promote for me. And my only response is, well I can't or I won't. It makes it really, really hard, but the fascinating thing is what I've realized over time is what it forced me to do is to get to situation where I started thinking of what are the other things of greater value than just a promotion that would be a value to them as an affiliate.

Speaker 1:     07:05         One of the things that I could do for them, what are the types of value things that I could provide and because of that we've actually built deeper relationships with a lot of the people who we do promotions with or who promote our services. For some people it's been A. I've had about my podcast for other people I. it's. It's been introductions. It's been things that were much more important than a direct, straight out email grab, email lists, email promotion or something of that sort. So understand that when you're looking at developing relationships in business, there is nothing more important. I've had this conversation with my kids so many times where all I care about other relationships, relationships to me are the number one thing in business. That's when your back is up against the wall. It's your relationships that matter when you literally have, when you've lost everything and you're sitting there and you're going, holy crap, what am I going to do?

Speaker 1:     08:01         Who can I turn to? To me, those have been the things that have, have created the most memorable, most impactful, most meaningful experiences that I could even imagine was when I literally was losing everything and I was able to reach out to people who I'd spent a lot of time, a lot of energy with, some little word situation they couldn't help but others, the way they helped wasn't through finance, finances for one. I remember there was a gentleman I, I ended up spending a lot of time on walks as I pour my heart out to him and saying I just, I don't know what I'm going to do. And that value of that relationship for me was so much more important than the actual money that I needed at the time. And as I take a look at, at my relationship with, with the people who I work with is as far as clickfunnels.

Speaker 1:     08:52         I've known Russell now for almost 12 years, uh, at least, you know, 10, 11 years now and the amount of things that we did before, as, as friends and in building relationships and all sorts of crazy stuff before we ever entered into a business relationship with click funnels is in fact, I've had this conversation with so many times where my relationship with Russell is so much more important to me than my partnership with click funnels or anything else that, that friendship is more valuable than economic gain or anything else. And I look at a lot of the types of things that people, when they go into business. So often it's this cutthroat and understand I'm extremely competitive but not in a relationship standpoint. Uh, and I think the part that people have to understand is you have to focus in on relationship deposits. How it's like a bank account.

Speaker 1:     09:49         It's, that's why I look at as far as relationship capital, you're not in a situation to where you can ever go negative. You don't have an overdraft protection in relationship capital situations. And so realize that's why, again, I take a look at the whole gottman institute thing. Every five, you've got to have five positive for one negative. I look at the same situation. If you're going to have a withdrawal in a relationship, you better make sure you're putting in at least five times as much value. And what you'll find is it actually levels up your game and it levels up the people who you find yourself associating with. It changes everything. And I really encourage you guys, as you start taking a look at business, no matter where you are in your business, I've seen, I've been around people who've literally billion dollar net worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And I've seen those in the hundreds, tens and hundreds of millions who have lost it all as, as well.

Speaker 1:     10:40         And it's fascinating to me to see the only thing that ever really matters are the relationships. And so as you take a look at building your business and you start taking a look at the way in which you're going to actually make things happen, you've got to make sure that you're putting in enough deposits. Uh, it's funny, I had this conversation with Russell the other day, there was a person we were looking at potentially doing some things with and uh, we were just talking about. I said, well, what about so and so? I says, you know, it's too early. What do you mean? What do you mean it's too early goes, I haven't provided enough value to that person yet to even consider asking that kind of thing of them. And they ask wasn't that big. But it was one of those things where I know how important relationships are to Russell.

Speaker 1:     11:24         It's literally the most important thing in the world. I've been fortunate to be blessed with my friendship with him over these years and I looked at my relationship with todd and with Ryan and Brent and John and the other partners inside of click funnels and all the things we've been through over the years. It's when it makes decisions so much easier just because we've been through so much crap together. And I think that as you take a look at your own business partners, and I've had, I've had business partners that have been great. I've had business partners that have been okay and I've had some that haven't been that good, but I can tell you the most important thing for me is always making sure that when you're looking at your own life and you're looking at your relationships and you're looking at the return on those relationships that you're always going in as the gottman institute recommended, they're at least going and a five to one ratio.

Speaker 1:     12:09         Make sure that you're overdelivering. You can never, ever put someone into your debt by doing that. It's just been the most amazing thing. I've, I've been so blessed. We had a situation happened just recently where we were looking at buying a company and uh, another software piece. And the guy basically said, hey, you know what, just try it. Use the software for free before we even do it and just see if it works for you and we can work everything else out later. And literally it was funny because we started getting attorneys involved as far as the transaction and it just got so muddy that the has said, listen Dave, we've been around a long time. Don't worry about the attorneys, don't worry about anything else. Listen, here's the dollar amount. We originally agreed on Wyoming. The funds, I don't need a contract. There's nothing there, and I felt the same way with him and so we literally just sent them the funds again.

Speaker 1:     12:59         He'd actually given it to us at first for free to use it. After it worked. We said, you know what, what's. He said, what's it worth to you? We gave him a dollar and I said, yeah, okay. In fact, I after gave him a higher dollar amount and he cut me back by 25 percent and I only sent him that amount. So realize that it's those types of people I always want to do business with. And so when you're out there building your business, and especially when you. It's one of those things I think when people first get started back, oh my gosh, I'm just, I don't have anything of credibility. I don't have anything to offer. You always have things to offer. It's not always dollars. It's not always that kind of. It doesn't have to be an economic exchange. Relationships are so much deeper and I think that's the main thing.

Speaker 1:     13:37         I want to make sure people understand that as you focus on building those relationships and making them as deep as possible, dig your well way before you ever thirsty and the way you did that well is by providing value to people and you can provide value in so many different ways. There was I, I went and volunteered at a ton of different seminar supporting people and everything else before I ever ever asked to be involved with them just because I provided value in that area. And that's what came back to me. There's been times where from a consultant standpoint, I'll consult someone for. I literally got a phone call earlier today with a guy who's. I remember when he first started his company three years ago, we met at TNC and uh, we were one of his first clients and he was literally said, you know what?

Speaker 1:     14:21         We're in a situation where were, where we want to do an integration, deeper integration with you guys. And we'd love to have you promote. And I know you don't like promoting. I said, you know what, we're not going to promote it, but what else can I do to help? And so, uh, he's got a software thing and I told him how we built click through webinars and, and offering the software actually for free and providing and selling the train actually was a win win for us. And he goes, oh my gosh, that's amazing. And said, you know, Dave, I always feel indebted to you. Every time I get off the call. And I never looked at as far as a debt, I just believed that, that all of a sudden you never know who that person's going to know and who they're going to introduce you to.

Speaker 1:     14:56         I've had that happen so many times where that's why I don't keep score, don't keep score and relationships, relationship capital. There's exchange of capital, relationship capital, so frequent. And you have to understand when you're networking, when you're building those relationships, you've got to always be that go-giver. You've got to be the person who's out there who's willing to help other people who's not always going in it for yourself. I know for a lot of you guys were listening to Dave, that is so boring and basic. I understand it might be, but it's not practiced by as many people as I wish it was, so having an amazing day. Again, thanks so much for listening. Send me a personal message or email or comment or let. Let me know if these are a value to you, what you're getting out of this, how it can provide greater value to you.

Speaker 1:     15:38         I value the fact that you're taking time to listen. Please go into itunes and rate, review it. Let me know if these things are of value to you because if they're not, I want to change it. I want to make sure that you're getting valued. You've now spent whatever. How much time is the den? Ten or 15 minutes of your time at two times speed. It was still seven minutes and I appreciate that. So I am grateful for anybody who listens to this podcast and I appreciate any feedback that you give me. Have an amazing day and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 2:     16:06         Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 16, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to James:

Founder and CEO of Autopilot Entrepreneur, James P. Friel is an entrepreneur, consultant, and author who helps entrepreneurs systemize, grow, and scale their businesses by getting them out of the day to day operations of running their companies. Master of business analogies, James illustrates the systems and foundation businesses and entrepreneurs need to put in place in order to excel to new levels. Learn the 5 pillars every business has and how to maximize and sustain growth in each of them.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • The 5 Pillars of every company (5:15)
  • The difference between marketing and sales (8:30)
  • Building a system (10:00)
  • Setting Expectations (13:20)
  • The importance of letting your foot off the gas for a moment (35:00)

Quotable Moments:

"Sometimes, it’s not about applying more force, it’s about creating more bandwidth."

"All upset comes from unmet expectations."

"The most valuable resource we have is people."

"The bigger your team gets, the more you are going to be responsible for being the conductor of the orchestra, as opposed to the violinist."

"If you don’t make time to work on your business, you will always be stuck working in your business."

Other Tidbits:

Having an entrepreneur mindset is not the norm.  Understanding that as a business owner and manager of people, the people under you might have a completely different mindset. Learning to communicate properly and understanding personality types is an important skill to develop as you go from solopreneur to team manager.



Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward

Speaker 2:     00:17         back. Everybody. This is going to be the ride of your life. I'm so excited for. I've had the opportunity of known this guy for quite some time and I want to make sure that you guys get to know him and a at a different level. I've had him on before and we talked about some really cool stuff. I mean the guy's totally brilliant, rocket science, brilliant type of stuff, but the cool thing is he's not only. So. First of all, before I go on about it, I want to first of all introduce Mr James P friel. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3:     00:43         Dave, I'm so excited to be here with you today. Thank you for having me, man.

Speaker 2:     00:47         So this is one of the things, I don't know. You're one of our two comma club x coaches, which is amazing and super cool. You've actually been here at Klick falls. We helped us for the last six months, systematized and ton of this stuff and I think at times you kind of get pigeon holed in this trello. Again, I want to make sure that doesn't happen, so I want to break that code right now. Again, you're the CEO co founder and CEO and founder of the autopilot entrepreneur, which is just a super cool concept and I think the part I'm liking the most right now is, uh, were just talking offline about your new website and this whole idea as far as that you help entrepreneurs systematize the game to grow and scale your business, own an asset that works for you, enjoy freedom, income and peace of mind is the stuff that I just love. Especially this whole idea as far as systematizing the game. I know you got a new book coming out and you've just got so much crazy stuff going. So with that, everybody, again, I wish you guys could stand up and give a huge welcome and round of applause to Mr James P friel, but to James again, thank you so much for being on the show today.

Speaker 3:     01:45         Oh, Dave. Yeah, it's my pleasure, man. It's always, uh, always amazing talking with you and getting to hang out and I think, you know, um, for me business business is a game, right? Business is, in my opinion, one of the coolest games imaginable. There's so many moving pieces and parts. There's, there's people, there's like, there's customers, there's employees, there's, there's a, you know, there's technology, there's like all these different things going on and uh, ever for as long as I can remember, I always want to know like, all right, well how does it all work? Right? And that's sort of been a, a very like driving thought of mine. Most of my life is like how, how does everything work? I love figuring out how things work. Like when I was a kid I took everything apart to try and put it back together and I feel like that passion and excitement really got channeled towards business. You know, I don't know, probably like 15 years ago or so, and what I've, what I've realized is most entrepreneurs that I've come in contact with go about doing their thing with massive amounts of trial and error. And just hoping that's something is going to work instead of recognizing that every of success in every area of life imaginable has rules of the game and there's ways to become better at it. And so that's really what I'm excited about sharing with people is how to systemize that game.

Speaker 2:     03:12         I appreciate that because I know for me, I've always looked at it's why I'm so fascinated about business. The same type of thing that you just mentioned is it is a game. And I think what I love you just made mention of is too often people kind of go into this haphazardly like, uh, you know what, I've got this passion, I got this idea, maybe I'll try this, you know, and, and there's such a huge difference between having a product and having a business. And I think so there's nothing wrong with having a product and having a product lifestyle and doing, there's nothing at all wrong with that. And we have a lot of people inside of our click funnels community who do just that. And then at the same time we've, you know, we've got over 360 people now going over a million dollars inside of a sales funnel.

Speaker 2:     03:49         I know you've coached quite a few of them, got over 26 people and now I've done over 10 million and at that point, once you start getting to those dollar amounts, you've got something substantive substantial going on. And I parked that I love most about what you teach and people you work with. This is to see how fast they can get there, how fast, if they really focused on the game, the speed and implementation as they really focus, they actually are able to accelerate the growth that most people can't. It's like hiring a good coach in athletics. And again, I look at, we talked about the game and I think so often there's so many comparisons to fitness and we were just joking about how sore your legs are from begged you and beating you up to doing a million lunges and barbell squats and all that stuff. But again, it's all part of the game. So with that I do, I want you to kind of dive in, what are some of the key components, what are some of the rules to the game that you found as you've worked with? I mean, you work with some amazing, amazing companies.

Speaker 3:     04:41         Yeah. Well I've, I've been, uh, I've been very fortunate to have had those opportunities and then to help other people create great results. But I think I'm one of the, one of the things that I've been recognizing a lot lately and this is stuff that's going in the book and it's stuff that I've been really teaching people a recently, is that no matter how big the business is, like because I've, you know, I've worked with, you know, solo preneurs all the way up to, you know, my, my experience in working with companies that have hundreds of thousands of employees and every single company has five, five pillars that are present. Even if you don't immediately identify them in and consciously. Being aware of those five pillars is so important for how you manage the business and how you manage the growth and those. There's pillars. We're not going to sound like anything like a crazy to anybody, but their their marketing, which is getting people to raise their hands and say, hey, I'm interested.

Speaker 3:     05:42         It's sales. Getting people to shake hands and say, yeah, let's do this together. Delivery, giving people the thing that they paid you for operations, which is the glue that keeps everything working together and the gears, they everything moving and finance, which is simply making sure that we're measuring how much money we're making. We understand the health of the business, right? And, and I think like at the early stages of growth, everything feels very mushed into like one giant blob. Like I just got to do something to make more money. Right? And, and that's true to a certain extent in terms of getting sales traction in the marketplace, but you really need to identify these five pillars and understand what things you need to do in each one of those pillars in order to continue to grow the business and create an asset that works for you.

Speaker 3:     06:36         And we have this thing we call the traffic light rating system and it's red, yellow, and green. And so we look at each one of those five pillars and we say, okay, well where is it red, yellow or green? Red Is there's no systems in place. Everything takes a ridiculous amount of work and effort to get something out the door. The results are inconsistent. We don't know when we're going to get a result. Yellow. We might have some of the core components of the system, people, processes and tools being developed, but they're not working together yet. And so we're. We're making progress, but our results are still a little bit sporadic. And then green, which is when we have people and we have processes and we have tools and all of them are working together. That's when we get leverage as a business owner, right when we have things at green.

Speaker 3:     07:27         And so what we've been able to do very quickly is say we've got these five pillars and each one of them can be red, yellow, or green. And almost in five minutes we can say here's where the business is in trouble and here's where they're doing really well and here's what we need to focus on next. And where we need to put systems in order to get this thing to the next level and it's almost become like is very high level your entire business on one sheet of paper, like overview, a very zoomed out level like what do I need to focus on in order to get to the next level? It's been very, very cool.

Speaker 2:     08:02         So if a person is listening to going, okay, so now I understand my five pillars and when they start looking at that red, yellow and green where some of the things they can do

Speaker 3:     08:11         to kind of get started right now and say

Speaker 2:     08:14         there's obviously if I have a system that's one thing, but what are some more of the details? What are they, what's the nitty gritty stuff that need to be looked at as far as. And I think if you don't mind clarify for people that difference between marketing and sales for some reason I talked a lot of people and it always gets so muddied up. So if you don't mind kind of clarifying that as well.

Speaker 3:     08:30         Yeah, for sure. So, so super high level. And I think sometimes it gets a little bit muddier when you're talking about online sales, but marketing is what generates interest, right? Marketing is what hooks people and causes them to say, Hey, I want to find out more. Right? And, and sort of leads them into the funnel in terms of online sales. Marketing is like the advertising that gets people to the funnel. Marketing is the thing that, you know, the social posts like the paid ads, like all those things that are generating interest that get the click, that get people to go where we want them to go. Sales is where we, where we closed the deal, right? Sales is when people go from saying, Hey, I'm interested to, yes, I want to do this with you. Right? And so, uh, you know, so this is what's so amazing about clickfunnels is that we can get, you know, all of that traffic, all that interest to basically our online salesmen, which is, you know, the funnel.

Speaker 3:     09:27         And, and that's where we closed the deal. Um, you know, if you have an offline sale, it's gonna be, you know, your marketing is going to be something that generates the lead, but your salesperson is going to be the guy that closes the deal and I think that those two things are very complimentary and they go hand in hand, but they're not one in the same. They're different and require different things to create a great advertising campaign as opposed to building a great sales funnel. Right? Those are going to require two different skill sets, potentially two different groups of people, but you need both of them in order to convert the interest into dollars in your bank account.

Speaker 2:     10:07         So if I look at, I remember when I first got started, I was the solo preneur and I remember when I hired my first employee, it was like the biggest stress in my life, freedom. And I'm like, oh, I got to pay for this person. I found myself working and so help me understand, um, what I'm looking at this red, yellow, green if, and again you can pick whichever size company you want, but if it's, in fact I'll just kind of let's say that they're already making sales so they're not starting. They've, let's say they're at the six figure level. We've hit that six figure club, but we're sitting there between, we'll just call it between $80,000 and 150 or 200,000. Sure. That seems to be the word. A lot of people get stuck. It's like it's a good enough lifestyle by myself, but if I want to start bringing other people in, how do I start creating systems and where does that red, yellow, green come in? Because as far as marketing, I might be, I might have outsourced my facebook ads and I'm paying two or $3,000 a month to have someone run those. I've got my sales funnel up, but as far as opt, I really don't have operations and where I'm looking at as far as my finances, it's basically, I don't know, maybe quickbooks or I'm hiring some accounting on the side who doesn't really know my business. Help me understand. I know we have a lot of our listeners who are in that in that range, help them.

Speaker 3:     11:20         Yeah, absolutely. It's a great question. So, so using, using that five pillars framework and the red, yellow, green, the person that you're describing, their marketing might be at yellow or green right there. Sales might be yellow or green, but they're delivering their operations could potentially be at red, right? Meaning that if we just continue to pour more and more sales into this thing, eventually we're going to crumble under the stress of the sales that we're producing. Right. That I don't a consistent structure to deliver on those sales and I don't necessarily have a way of operating my entire business that supports all of the sales that are coming in. And so we'd say, okay, if you're at, you know, yellow or green and marketing and your read on delivering operations, the goal is to continue to grow the business, right? But in order to grow the business, we've got to remove the things that are standing in our way of growing the business, right?

Speaker 3:     12:21         Like sometimes it's not just about applying more force, it's about creating more bandwidth and uh, and, and that's what needs to be done in that particular case. And so we'll say, all right, great. So what we need to do is we need to figure out how do we increase our, increase our throughput, right? And that would be an assistant that helps us operate more effectively. And, and in my, in my way of seeing things, a system is the combination of people and processes and tools and all of those things working together. So you know, if we're talking about the solo preneur who's got a pretty good life, you know, making six figures or something like that and they say, yes, I do want to get to the next level. Part of that is going to require people. But like you said, in your experience and my experience at the beginning as well, hiring those people is not only expensive but it's extremely stressful because you're like, what do I tell them to do?

Speaker 3:     13:20         Now you're just like, oh my God, now I have people that are asked, looking at me, asking me what to do. And so the way that I think about it is we need to put, we need to put systems in place first and then hire people to plug into those systems so that they're not disorganized when they actually start working for us. And I didn't always recognize this in my corporate days. I had a big team, but I wasn't the one who had to put the systems in place. I just was lucky enough to just manage a bunch of people. And. And that was it. And then I got out on my own, I was like, all right, let me just start hiring people. And it was like herding cats. It was like a complete mess. And so I very quickly realized that until I could have a coordinated way of telling people what to do and making sure that they do it and then being able to know what was expected of them, it was going to be really difficult.

Speaker 3:     14:13         And so hiring people, you know, is, is one of the key parts of building a system and that's, you know, first and foremost, like what do I want to give that person to do? What is their role going to be? What are their responsibilities going to be if I just hire somebody hoping that they're going to come in and read my mind and improve my situation, like I'm going to be disappointed in, that person's going to be frustrated and we're going to have a massive disconnect, right? So we need to be clear on what their role is, what their responsibilities are going to be. And, and it sounds crazy obvious once you hear it, but it in the moment of all the stress and overwhelm trying to figure this out, you don't recognize that you need to ask yourself, how am I going to know that this person is successful?

Speaker 3:     14:59         Like what does good look like? Right? And taking a short amount of time upfront to figure out those things will lead to a much smoother onboarding processes in a much more fulfilling relationship with that person in the long run because you actually know what slot in the company you're trying to fill them in. And uh, and I don't think a lot of people take the time to do that and it winds up costing them a ton of money that, that they don't really have to, they don't have to have that kind of experience if they take 10 minutes and they plan things out a little bit better ahead of time.

Speaker 2:     15:36         No, I love that. It's one of the things I enjoyed, uh, when we were working with you here at click funnels was the interview process. We did a lot of hiring. When you're, when you're consulting with us and you're extremely good in the hiring process and I think part of that goes back to what you were just referring to as far as you're really. One of things I love about James is you're so awesome at creating a framework and I think it not only, it makes it easier for the person who's doing the hiring, but also it makes it so much easier for the person who's coming on board. There's nothing more frustrating than a. In fact, I was just talking to the person we hired to run a lot of our, our coaching or speaking team and you know, it last, it was late last night and he was leaving the office and he hadn't been talking to Russell and Russell said, you know, Dave, his biggest concern is it doesn't want to let you down.

Speaker 2:     16:19         Yeah. Thought, you know what? If he's saying that that first, I think it's great, but it also, first thought I had was I probably haven't given them enough of an outlier as far as what his real job is and he shouldn't be feeling that way. If he knows that this is my expectations, and so I, I seriously, I thought last night and this morning I've got to do a better job of making sure he knows exactly what's expected of them because there's nothing more frustrating for someone who's trying to do a good job and not know what they're being measured up against and you've just always been so awesome at creating that framework. So we've talked before quite a bit, James, about this whole idea as far as companies who are at it's, it's either one, three or seven. It's $100,000, 300,000, $700,000 million. It's 3 million, 7 million, 10 million seemed to be.

Speaker 2:     17:04         Those are some of the big barriers where you have to stretch and you grow during those transitions, but part of that really comes in this hiring process and in the framework that you've always built around that. So if a person's out there and they're hiring their first or second or third or fourth person, which for most of our clients, most people inside of clickfunnels, their teams are usually under 10. Right? And so those hires are really super critical because it's not a common and wearing multiple hats, how have, what is the system that you've created that helps people really identify what those roles and those responsibilities are? Because for a lot of the Solo preneurs they've just been doing it all and they just expect everyone's going to know how to pick it up.

Speaker 3:     17:44         Yeah, absolutely. And, and nobody is a mind reader much to my much my extreme disappointment. You know, nobody, nobody knows how to read your mind and until they, until they figure out how to do that sort of technology, we're all sort of stuck with us as people and we're all imperfect and uh, you know, trying to do the best we can for the most part. And so I think that, I think the first thing, Dave, that is, is where I look, it's, it's top down and you know, not to beat a dead horse, but if I go back to the five pillars in the red, yellow, green, and I know I'm, I'm read marketing and I'm red on sales, that's going to be looking for a different person. Then if I'm green on marketing and I'm red on delivering operation, so like first of all, figuring out like where is the need inside of the organization in order to get the whole company to get to the next level so that we're not just sort of arbitrarily figuring something out.

Speaker 3:     18:42         I think that's the first thing, right? And so let's just say, you know, we're looking for somebody in, in sales, maybe we need a salesperson, right? Like I just recently hired a full time sales guy and went through this exact thing. I'm myself and so I'm, I'm looking at saying, all right, great. I have a need for the sales role, right? And here's what that person is going to be responsible for. They are going to be responsible for following up with all of our leads. They're going to nurture the people who fill out applications. You're going to make sure that everyone who does buy, you know, they follow up with them a certain amount of time afterwards so that we have an up sell opportunity, right? Like, I'm, I'm very clear on what I want that person to do. And then we, and then we say, or a great, how am I going to know whether that person is successful and we have to set metrics in place, right?

Speaker 3:     19:32         Like you can't measure anything if you like, if you don't have a measurement by which to kind of stack it up against and, and it's, it's not always the easiest thing to figure out the metric, but it's important. Right. So for this role in particular, sales role I think is sometimes a little bit easier. You know, what, what's our conversion rate, right? Like what's our close rate that we're getting and what do I expect us to get it? Maybe my expectation is crazy because I'm overly optimistic, but at least we have an expectation and then we can sort of calibrate between what's actually happening in that expectation. That. And that really goes regardless of whatever role it is. And so like the guy that, the guy that you're hiring to work on the speaking team, right? How many speaking engagements do you expect them to have them on?

Speaker 3:     20:21         What kind of conversion rate you expect them to have when he's going out and doing the presentations, right, and all of those things and so you know, your role is you're the speaker, you know, the, the road shows, speaker for click funnels and your responsibilities are x, yZ, , etc. Measures of success. This is how i'M gonna measure you. Right? And like those three things alone at least start to get us in the ballpark of how we're going to define success in that relationship. And one of The things that's so important is that one of my early mentors had this great quote that I absolutely love. He said all upset comes from unmet expectations and I think that goes on both sides, right? Like if you're expecting this guy to go out there and crush it, but you haven't defined what crush It means and he's expecting to go out there and crush it, but he is a totally different expectation.

Speaker 3:     21:14         He's like, dave, I did 17 presentations this month and we got five sales. You're going to be like, what on earth is going wrong out there? But maybe he's excited about it. And there's like a massive disconnect in that upset is going to come from those expectations that were never aligned. And so I think one of the things that I see, um, is, is so rare is just, uh, the desire for clear and direct communication. Um, and, and you know me well enough to know that I'm a, I'm a pretty direct communicator. Um, and I'm not beating aRound the bush and I'm not saying there's not other valid styles of communication, but in terms of making sure everybody is on the same page, just make sure everyone's on the same page and don't be afraid about, you know, setting those expectations and letting other end creating the space for other people to debate whether those expectations are realistic because then at least you get to a common ground on which to manage that relationship against.

Speaker 3:     22:19         And I think that's, that's a huge thing that, you know, that the greatest leaders among us are the ones who have the clearest expectations for the people that are working for them. And uh, and, and that I think not only helps us as entrepreneurs and business owners and in leading our companies, but it also, it also provides a tremendous amount of security and confidence for the people that are working for us because they know when they're meeting the expectation and they know when they're not and they don't ever have to wonder like, oh man, his name is james upset with me, or like, does dave think I did something wrong or anything like that because we're really setting those expectations up front. And then we're revisiting them on unregular interval, right? Like, think About, um, when we were in grade school, if you never got a report card until you graduated eighth grade and then your eighth grade teacher is like, you know what, dave, you sucked for the last eight years, we're going to have to hold you back.

Speaker 3:     23:26         You'd be like, why didn't you tell me sooner? Right. Like, you'd be upset. And, uh, and, and we don't, I think in the workplace we don't recognize the need to give each other feedback frequently enough according to what our measurements of success are. And it doesn't just a, it's not just a thing for the employee, it's a negative thing for us as employers to, because we're not maximizing the investment that we're making in that person. And uh, you know, and to quote warren buffet, he said, our job as business owners is to be the allocator of resources and the most valuable resources we have our people and if we're not maximizing the investment we're making in those people, then that means we're losing money and like nobody wants to lose money, but it's not, it's not as easy to see as some of the other things that are happening inside the business. So that's probably a pretty long winded answer, but it's, it's definitely one of the areas that I'm passionate about is how do we set up the game in order to get the most out of the people that are helping us because that's pro. If we're hiring good people, that's probably what they want to do anyway.

Speaker 2:     24:38         I love it. I think it's, you've been become literally the master at systematizing the game. And I think as you, as I look at your framework, as far as those five pillars and the red, yellow, green, I know for myself, especially when I first got started, there was a lot of times where I did. I unfortunately set people up for failure and I did get frustrated a ton because I was like, gosh, why can't you just figure this out? And I'm like, you know what? Not everybody is an entrepreneur and not everyone is. And again, that's why I've. I've loved, I know you're a master at understanding those 16 personalities and understanding people. I think that for me has been one of the things I've appreciated and I've learned so much from you, james, is really understanding how best to work with people and realizing that a lot of the people who come to workforce, what they want is security and wants to ability.

Speaker 2:     25:28         They want to know that they're going to be safe and they're being protected. And I think that the best way of doing that is setting them up to succeed by giving them very, very clear expectations. It's again, it goes back to your red, yellow, green, or even your your grade report card type of thing. When you know what the grade is, I didn't know. I can either apply more effort or I can coast a little here or whatever, wherever you might be, but for me, as I've looked at the way you've done that, I'm. I'm fAscinated by the way you are able to really spend a whole bunch of time allocating human resources. Probably one of your greatest skill sets that I've appreciated, I've seen you work with other companies, is really helping people to understand that is the most important piece of capital any business owner has.

Speaker 2:     26:14         I mean it really, really is. I know we talked so much about marketing dollars, your sales dollar, all that. Nothing's more important than the people and you can get those people to and we spent a whole bunch of time focus on, you know, our click funnels culture as well as our own employee culture and I think that that as I take a look at what you've done, I hope people really take time and go back and listen to us because the framework of those five pillars is so critical as a business owner and then as you go through the red, yellow, and green and rate those, you didn't know where you need to look at, what is the human capital I need to invest in to systematize and make that thing work. So again, I appreciate so much your skill set and doing that.

Speaker 3:     26:56         Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks for giving me the opportunity to share. I think, um, you know, we as entrepreneurs have a very peculiar mindset and way of being in the world, right? It's not statistically speaking, it's not normal. We're not, we are not normal, right? We are, we are the outliers. And uh, you know, maybe three percent of people really are entrepreneurs. That means the other 97 percent are not and when we come at them like, hey, you should be an entrepreneur like me. We're sort of fighting that whole trend instead of just embracing what is a beautiful ecosystem where certain people want to take more risk, certain people want to have, you know, different things and do different things and other people just want something that's different and for us as as business owners and entrepreneurs to be able to create a place were those people are not just welcomed but appreciated for who they are and what they bring to the table and how they can be part of that larger contribution. I think it's something that we miss out sometimes a by wishing people were more like we are and I know I've been there and now I'm sort of have a totally different mindset. I'm happy

Speaker 2:     28:15         that there's not everybody crazy. Like I agree with you completely. It's got a funny. You mentioned that we were working here late last night and one of the guys, you know who works for me, we were literally having this conversation just came up at 16 personalities came up and were sitting there saying, I want to be an entrepreneur so bad, and yet I've just, I just don't have a real high d, but I've got this huge economic drive and I'm like, just because you have a huge economic drive doesn't mean that you have to be an entrepreneur. I think at times people get that confused. You don't have. There's a lot of ways of, of fulfilling a lot of your other values in your life than having to be an entrepreneur. And I know that, uh, right now this whole entrepreneurship thing seems to have been glamorized quite a bit.

Speaker 2:     29:00         And when you and I both started to, it wasn't that way was a kIds who basically couldn't get a job. I remember even talking about the yacht and her first feelings about you as an entrepreneur. This guy obviously can't make any money, but I think it's. I appreciate what you've, you've mentioned there that you can't expect everybody, unfortunately, not everyone is that way and allows that opportunity. I'm working for you. So as we get close to wrapping things up here, as a person who's going to go from being that solo preneur and from just one or two people to that five to 10, it's a big change. Once you get to tHat five to 10 range, what are some of the things you start wearing more of a management hat and you know, or suggestions you could give to those who are in

Speaker 3:     29:42         that situation becoming more of a manager. Yeah. Well the, the number one thing you've got to, you've got to recognize that your contribution is not going to be as much a, the doing of the thing anymore as it is the setting the stage for the other people to do the thing. And that's a. And that's not the easiest transition to make. Um, uh, so, so I think just understanding that mindset, that the more, the more you grow in, the bigger your team gets, the more you're going to be responsible for being the orchestra. The conductor of the orchestra as opposed to the violinist and you might be an amazing violinist, but if you're staying in the chair playing the violin the whole time and there was nobody conducting the orchestra, then in the orchestra is going to sound like crap. And so you've got to be able to make that transition.

Speaker 3:     30:31         And I know, uh, I know for me, you know, with a lot of the operating systems that we put in place, it's specifically designed so that I can give people things to do and they can take tasks and they can work on projects and objectives and initiatives and have ownership of those things, but I can still oversee what everybody is working on. And um, and you know, like a, you look at, you look at it like a company like mcdonald's and their processes are so well defined, right? That they're not just hiring the 16 year old kid who wants to work part time while he's going to high school and saying, hey, hey, come on in and just sorta make burgers and do whatever you want. And hopefully it all comes together. They have like all these processes that are defined and um, and they plugged that person into those processes and I think that's what we need to do to.

Speaker 3:     31:27         And, and I know a lot of people will say, well, I don't have time to do that. Right? And, and I'm too busy with all the other things going on and it's so cliche, but it's so true. If you don't make time to work on your business, you will always be stuck working in your business. And I believe that whether you're one person trying to expand two to five people trying to expand to 10 or 100 people trying to expand to 200, you need to have dedicated time where you're working on your business in order to build those systems, to pull people in and make sure that the processes are right. Make sure that they have the right tools to be able to do their job, to make sure you have the right job descriptions and measurements of success in everything in place. And um, and it's so incredibly critical to build, you know, as you grow to be the person who's building the structure for those systems so that everybody else can do their job well and that you can measure how well those jobs are being done.

Speaker 3:     32:29         And uh, you know, google is just a great example of how they've grown over the years with this, this concept of 80 percent of their time spent on doing things that are gonna generate revenue today and that our current projects in 20 percent of their time is spent on things that aren't sanctioned projects that are just specifically designed hopefully to make the company better in the future. And you know, in a five day work week, that means four days of the week people work on things that are on the books in one day. It means they work on things that aren't. Gmail came out of that paradigm, right? Like somebody was just like, oh, like I'm going to try and create a web based mill. And then it started taking off and they turn it into a real project. And I'm not saying that entrepreneurs have the luxury at first of spending one full day a week on working on their business, but you can't tell me like I believe it would be a bold face lie to tell me and to look in the mirror and tell yourself I don't have 30 minutes a week to carve out to work on my business.

Speaker 3:     33:34         Right and do it. And maybe that 30 minutes becomes an hour in that hour becomes an hour and a half over time. But if you're not working on your business, like you're never going to really make the kind of progress that you want to because the business requires a leader to oversee the entire thing. And that's part of what it means to be an entrepreneur and to grow a company is to be the person who steps into that role.

Speaker 2:     33:57         Wow. I may have. I can't tell you. I, I heard that years ago and I wish I would've listened to it because for the longest time I kept thinking, I, I don't, I don't have time to work on my business. That's a, that's a luxury. And it wasn't until I forced myself, and again, you may find you take it, you may lose a little bit of money in the beginning when you do that, but as you take that step back, it actually propels you five to 10 steps forward. And again, I hope I'm going to just. I wrote it down just because I. You always doubted these words of wisdom. I'm always writing down and that's whatever might just look at it. You don't take the time to work on your business. You will always be working in your business. And man changed. That for me was probably the biggest mistake I made in my twenties and early thirties was I just kept thinking, I'll just put more time into it. I'll put more time in and thinking that by my putting more time in magically some system was going to appear that was going to take me out of it. And it never ever did.

Speaker 3:     34:56         It doesn't end. It doesn't. And we like as we're, we're driven people as entrepreneurs and so therefore we think the only way to granted result is by applying more force. And it's not like the real way to get what we want is by figuring out how to create leverage and systems create leverage and like think of it this way, if you're, you know, let's say you got a really nice sports car, it's, you know, six speed manual transmission. Not too many people have manuals anymore, much to my disappointment, but, but if you, if you step on the gas in first gear and you refused to shift gears and all you do is keep your foot to the floor, like you're only gonna go so fast, you have to let your foot off the gas just to touch, to be able to shift into second. So you go faster and then into third and so on. And it's. And it's the same thing when we're, when we're driving our businesses, we have to be willing to sacrifice just a tiny, tiny little bit of our maximum output to create the space so that we can get to the next level and we can switch gears and actually go that much further once we switch gears.

Speaker 2:     36:07         Oh my gosh, I love it. I just got to take one more note here now. I love the analogy I've, I've seen that happen so many times in my own personal life and I get, I appreciate so much your time. I, your friendship means the world to me. It's nice having you here in boise as well. We're both transplants. It's been fun. So thanks again. James. Any other parting words? Oh, by the way, first of all, I want to make sure people know where to get you, so how can they connect with you? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3:     36:35         Uh, so they could just go to my website, james p That's f r I e l, so just james p dot [inaudible] dot com. And they can find out about, there's some free downloads there. There's a lot to check out our podcast, which is a lot of fun and a whole bunch of other things and if they want to connect, that's probably the best place to go.

Speaker 2:     36:54         Awesome. James, any other parting words before we let you go?

Speaker 3:     36:57         No, just, uh, just really appreciate being here with you today, dave. Thanks for letting me share. I always fun to connect and I look forward to, uh, you know, seeing people take this stuff and really apply it. Like that's, that's really what gives me a lot of fulfillment is when, when people will actually take action. So if you guys are listening to this today, know it doesn't have to be a huge monumental thing, but take action on a little bit of something and your business will be better off for it and I'm sure your life will be too.

Speaker 2:     37:25         Oh, awesome. Thanks so much man. We'll talk soon. Thanks dave.

Speaker 4:     37:29         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do that do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 11, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Brett: 

Brett Curry is the CEO of OMG Commerce, a digital marketing agency and Google Premier Partner. He is also the host of the eCommerce Evolution Podcast highlighting what’s new and what’s next in eCommerce.  He and his team manage Google, Amazon, and YouTube ad campaigns for over 100 growing brands. Brett shares his knowledge of creating ads, what works and what doesn’t, and best practices for advertising.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • Using Youtube To Prospect: The Mysterious Black Box (1:20)
  • Make Yourself Clear- What Is Your Product Is About? (13:22)
  • Easiest Ways To Get Customers From Youtube To Your Product: (17:38)
  • Tips For Creating Videos: (19:32)

Quotable Moments:

"Are you saying enough to make someone say-- hey this is different, unique, and I want to find out more about it."

"Do something in the first 5 seconds to arrest someone on your product."

"If you have a great video or funnel, I believe now is the time to use youtube."

Other Tidbits:

Brett goes into great detail on intent based targeting--targeting people on Youtube based on their google search history. He discusses how to properly build successful campaign advertising videos and gives wonderful advice on how to make them very effective.



Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to it.

Speaker 2:     00:18         Funnel Hacker radio. This is going to be a fun, fun experience because it's a dear friend of mine. I wanted to do she guys too. I've known him for years and the guys absolutely crushing it in ecommerce eyes. Got his own. He's a CEO of Omg Commerce to digital market agency. You also is the host of the ecommerce evolution podcast. Welcome to show Mr Brett Curry. Welcome, Brett.

Speaker 3:     00:36         Dave, what's up man? So excited to be here. This is gonna. Be Fun.

Speaker 2:     00:40         It is so crazy. I remember, Gosh, I think. I think we met way back in the DOTCOM secrets local era. It was,

Speaker 3:     00:48         yeah. I was trying to remember dates. I'm terrible with dates, but I think it was 2009, 2010. That's. We're working closely with Russell on some dotcom secrets, local stuff and we started hanging out and a crazy where our paths have taken a sense then, but that was fun. Fun Times.

Speaker 2:     01:04         You guys have a killer agency that has just been crushing it for quite some time. You've done everything from, from TV, from local media to know you've got a ton of articles out there. You're doing this obviously, right? Niggas really specialized in the whole physical products on ecommerce, but one of the things I, if you're alright with I'd love to dive into and one of things you're kind of talking about before and that's this whole youtube thing and it's kind of this mysterious black box everyone talks about, but you have. You've mastered this thing, so I'm going to dive right in. Are you okay with that?

Speaker 3:     01:30         Let's do it. Yeah. Love, love talking to you to my favorite. It is the marketing topic of choice for me to nerd out on right now and I like talking all things marketing, but youtube is at the top.

Speaker 2:     01:42         Well how do you use it as a prospecting channel? That's one thing I know a lot of people struggle with. How do I actually use it to prospect?

Speaker 3:     01:49         Yeah. So it's interesting, you know, I think youtube has been a powerful channel for years and years if you're good at creating content. So, you know, if you go back to the Gary Vee days, you know, if you're a Gary v and he built Wine Library TV and just really launched his career on Youtube and they're a lot of other content creators. We've done kind of the same thing. And so that, that's been a powerful youtube would powerful on, on that front for a long time. Uh, but, but recently, you know, Google's come out with some ad formats that are really powerful. And namely the ad format we use is called Tru vue and it's called trueview. It's, everybody's seen it, you know, if you go to youtube, you're going to watch a music video or, or a cat video or whatever your video of choices. You're going to youtube and check that out.

Speaker 3:     02:37         It's the ad that pops up before that. So it's the pre roll, uh, in stream ad is what they're called. Those are the ones that are skipable. So, so I Bet Dave Woodward, you've had the experience where one of those ads pop up and you think, curse you advertiser. I just want to walk my work avenue, but something about the ad hooks you in that first five seconds, I'm magical. Five second window it you and you watched the whole thing. A lot of them you'd probably skip and that's fine. Um, but the beauty of that is from an advertising standpoint, you don't pay if someone skips, so you only pay if someone watches the ad or if they clicked through to your site so that they engage with it before you as an advertiser pay. So that's what we're using. We're using truview in a lot of different capacities.

Speaker 3:     03:20         And the beauty of this is a one, the youtube audience is massive. I mean everybody's on youtube billion users worldwide on a monthly basis, 18 to 49 year olds. You know, I saw a stat more people watch youtube during prime time, then the top TV, top 10 TV goes combined. Um, I even saw it turn, which is interesting for 13 to 17 year olds, like 70 percent of them are on youtube versus only about 50 percent on facebook for that younger demographic, which, which is interesting. Um, but anyway, so we're using varieties of the trueview ad format and kind of harnessing that massive audience and then harnessing what Google knows about it's users has got some amazing targeting options now on youtube and we're kind of combining that to create some, uh, some ad magic for people. So I, it, I know that most people kind of lean first to facebook because of all the data that's there.

Speaker 3:     04:18         What types, how does it compare from facebook to youtube? And you'd made mention earlier that you're actually seeing a lot of people starting to shift dollars from facebook to youtube. So kind of explain how that. Yeah. And so, you know, just to be fair, I think, I think facebook is so extremely powerful. I think most businesses need to use facebook. I don't know, facebook, myself, I've been at Google ads guy for forever and so it was a natural extension that, uh, I did the TV and radio back in the day as you alluded to as well. But, um, you know, some of the audience targeting is pretty comparable for youtube to facebook. So things like lookalike audiences as an example where, you know, you can upload your customer list to Facebook, they'll generate a lookalike audience for you. Google has something similar, only they call it a similar audience where you can upload, Hey, these are my buyers, these are my subscribers, these or whoever who will build a similar audience to that.

Speaker 3:     05:08         So that's nice. Um, any kind of interest based targeting. So, so all of the interest based targeting you can do on facebook, you can do something similar on, on Google. Um, in fact, one of my favorite audience types is called a custom affinity audience and that's where you can go grab websites that you feel like your ideal customer, likely frequency. So it could be, you know, if we're in the workout space, it could be, you know, the particular brand of, of a workout site, you're looking for a different crossfit websites and things like that or um, you know, it can be conservative news websites if you got an, you know, an outdoor product or something like that. So you're, you're building a list of a and you're telling Google, hey, build an audience for me, like those people to visit these websites. And of course Google knows who visits every website, right?

Speaker 3:     05:55         So they can build that list. I'm really, well now one of the things that Google has the facebook does not have is what's called a intent based targeting and one singular audience called it customer intent audience. And that's where you can target people on Youtube based on their google search history. So I don't know about you. Yeah. So this is just totally awesome. So do you, Dave, do you, are you a youtube user? Do you get on youtube much? Not as much as I as my kids there. Yeah. That's cool. So, uh, you know, when I'm on Youtube I'm mainly looking at music videos of my kids don't that, that I think this does line up with that trend I talked about earlier, like the 13 to 17 year olds, they're, they're all over youtube. My kids are looking at life hack videos and how to fix your hair and how to pick up girls.

Speaker 3:     06:42         My team looking at things like that, I'm usually looking at like a music video or sports or, or how to or something like that. My search behavior on Google's very different. Like I'll search for every product that I want on Google and stuff. Well now you can target people based on what they're searching for on Google when they're on youtube. So if we've got someone who's selling a, you know, some type of apparel, a winter coats a week, we could then pull a list of top keywords that someone might be typing in on Google. We can then give that to google, build an audience around that, and then those people, the next time they're on youtube, we can run our pre roll or instream ad to that audience. It, it is phenomenal and there's so many creative ways you can approach that. For most of our clients, that's the best audience to run it or, or close to it, a accustomed intent audience because you can kind of, based on the keywords you, you're using kind of pick people at different stages of the funnel and then, and then so you know, they're there at least in the market to some degree.

Speaker 3:     07:44         Then you hit them with a powerful video ad. It's just, it's an awesome combination. Is that work best for physical products or does it, does it matter? Well, I don't know that it matters. I mean I've seen some case studies so we were a google premier partner and we have our google reps come into our offices about four times a year and they do case studies and stuff and I got, I got to read a case study from Hawaiian Airlines and they're using this type of targeting and it's phenomenally well for them. Uh, but. But my agency, we work with physical product sellers. That's what we do. That's what I know. But it, it'll work for any business. I'm pretty confident, I mean as long as the, as long as your message is clearly communicated visually, as long as, as long as video is a good medium to communicate your message that I think you can, you can find the targeting that, that works for your business. But I mean, you know, we're, we're doing, uh, we're talking about Ezra firestone prior to hitting record. Good friend of mine been, been doing all his google traffic now for years. We run all the youtube for boom cosmetics. So yeah. Yeah. So, and then that's it. You guys are doing all that. Yeah. So of really. Well for them it was all hands. So I'm going to have to.

Speaker 3:     08:56         Yeah. You know, so he now he's a smart marketer obviously when that same company, but he definitely inspires a lot of things, but we're the ones kind of pressing the buttons and pulling the levers. So it could be skincare, it could be a wedding ring, it could be auto product, it could be, you know, we're, we're all over the map, but, but no, I think if I wasn't, if I owned a business, if I was using click funnels, like I know most of your listeners are, if my story can be told, well visually I would try, I would try youtube to see if it see if it would work well for a person who wants to kind of get started on that. Where do they go and how long did the videos you have to be, how professional they have to be made, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3:     09:40         Yeah. Great question. So the, the video does have to be good and what I mean by that is it has to resonate, you know, it has to compel someone to say who I one VAT or, or at least I want to check that out. I want to look a little bit further at that product or that service. So it does have to be compelling. It does not have to cost you a fortune and I would almost advise against that. Um, you know, we, um, we do ecommerce for a long time. One of my, uh, favorite traffic sources, Google shopping, I don't know if he ever spend with Google shopping, but the product listing ads you searched for job search for a particular type of watch and then you get the little product images and stuff. Those ads work almost, no matter what, like if you have a, um, you know, if you're kind of bad at Google shopping, it'll still work pretty well for you.

Speaker 3:     10:30         Uh, not the case with Youtube, you know, if you throw up a, a crummy video that just doesn't move people, it's not going to work. It just isn't. Um, we, we've seen, you know, we're talking about audiences earlier and how important that is. I've seen though where we get the same audience targeting, but two different ads, one that really connects with people, one that doesn't and the results are staggering. No one will, one will never get off the ground and the other one will scale to, you know, spending $8,000 a day, you know, um, profitably. So, uh, there, there are some principals there. I mean, I think you need to, you need to hook people in the first five seconds, you to communicate a clear benefit. You'd have some testimonial elements you need to overcome, objections, you'd have a clear call to action, but it doesn't have to be, you don't have to hire some fancy ad agency to come and shoot this, this video, uh, one of, one of the best videos we're running now for a client.

Speaker 3:     11:22         It's 100 percent client testimonials shot with an iphone or whatever, phone, iphone, android mixing there too, which is fine. But, you know, we got all these clips of customer St Wow. Look at this product and this application that we love this. So we just, we mix those together with a cool intro, cool outro, and that's it. And it works. So there's not like a set, you know, you don't even have explosions and, and, and special special effects and CGI and stuff like that. It just, it needs to resonate with. So it does have to be a good ad, but it does not have to be expensive. Um, and, and so, and then you ask about ideal link. I'm the way, the way the pricing works, the way you're billed as an advertiser, someone has to watch at least 30 seconds of the commercial, uh, before you build the 30 seconds or the whole video, whichever comes first.

Speaker 3:     12:11         Um, you know, on, on facebook, facebook counts of you after three seconds, I believe. So that's another kind of difference in the two. Youtube counts as a view if it's, if it's over 30 or the whole video, uh, but a lot of the videos we're seeing that work are in that, you know, 30 to 92nd range. Most of that are a little over a minute. Really. The key is, are you saying enough? Are you saying enough to make someone say, hey, this is different, this is unique. I want to find out more about it. Sometimes you can't quite do that in 30 seconds. Um, you know, if you go, if you look at like the, you know, with the harmon brothers have done or like, like the click funnels video. Did you guys have made, you know, um, those were what, like two to three minutes kind of harm brothers.

Speaker 3:     12:54         And most of the videos about three minutes, you know, and that's, that can work too, a lot of our clients that they're their most successful videos or in the minute to minute 30 range. Um, and then uh, but we have some people like Ezra, you know, we've, we've tested some videos that are, that are north of five minutes a really. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I would say like stick within that kind of 60 to 92nd range is ideal. Yeah. That's fantastic. So when you're looking at the creation of that, I know it's typically, how long do you have before you skip the ad? Is it, it's five seconds. So pretty captivating those first five seconds to say I'm willing to eat the rest of this. Yeah. And my philosophy is we people out like may make some kind of statement or, or do something in the first five seconds where people that aren't interested, they'll click skip, right?

Speaker 3:     13:47         Because if they're not actually you want to pay for it. Right? You've got that option here to not pay for someone if they're not interested. So I like to open with a, with a question with some kind of grabbing statement, like make it pretty clear right up front, you know, what you're doing, what, what it's about. This is about this new type of wedding ring or this is about this new skincare product or whatever it may make that clear right from the get go and you do have, you do have five seconds. So we had one client a show us, so they were in the outdoor space and they showed us this video that the first five seconds was the animation of their logo. The logo was doing all this stuff. We're like, yeah, that's not going to work. Nobody, nobody cares about your logo a have the logo there.

Speaker 3:     14:29         You might get some brand again, but do something to capture them. Some kind of benefit statement, some kind of question, some kind of a, are you tired of this, you know, uh, can, can you not sleep at night because of x or whatever. Like some kind of something to arrest someone in those first five seconds that somebody that also makes someone who would say, no, I don't care about that product. Make them skip. That's great. Let's, let's get those people to move on and let's not, let's not for them. So yeah, you got five seconds. So that, that, that is also interesting to think about, okay, here's the angle of my commercial here, the benefits I'm going to work in, what's my opener going to be? And, and that's where I think you lead with a question or, or a testimonial or, or, or some kind of a, a grabber, you know, never do this again.

Speaker 3:     15:11         Or, or what if you could avoid this forever? What if you could stop paying so much for whatever. So something to really hook them right in the right at the beginning is important. Back to the good old direct response marketing headlines, man. It is, it is. And so, you know, this can be a, this could be a spokesperson, you know, on camera looking at you saying this directly. It could be a combination of of that and text on the screen. I like. I like a combination typically, but yeah, it's so cool. I'm, I'm a, I'm a student of direct response. I know you are as well Dave, and I've read some of the classes even got like 22 immutable laws of branding on my desk and so Joseph sugarman books of course way back when, like triggers. That's an awesome book. Triggers. But anyway, a lot of the principles still apply, right?

Speaker 3:     15:57         Like, like human nature hasn't changed a whole lot and people still either want to avoid pain or gain pleasure. Right. So thinking about these appeals a bit, none of that changes. It's just a new format and in a new medium and a new, you know, new audience targeting and things like that. But so, but yeah, our philosophy is let's, let's build it with direct response elements, but let's also build your brand in the process because one of the interesting side benefits, Dave, the worst thing is after someone runs on youtube a lot where we're usually running youtube campaigns in Google ads, so search and shopping stuff after they run youtube for three or four or five weeks, they're branded search campaigns will often increase by double. So people say, I didn't know if that was just Google's algorithm basically rewarding you for having spent money.

Speaker 3:     16:47         There are. So yeah, probably not. But what, what, uh, what, what they are doing is, you know, you have more people that are aware of your product, so now they're searching for you. So that's cool. Still top of funnel for the book. We're talking about it. Yeah. So now I'm, I'm introduced to your product. I'm not ready to buy right now, but if I am interested in my next step is probably to go search for it. So we had one client who got pretty aggressive with youtube and they're branded campaigns. So people searching for them by name, uh, increased by four x in the first month and then they're not a small brand. Um, so it was really interesting. But, um, but yeah, it's one of those things that it does bleed over into other, other channels as well. So it's kind of a kind of a halo effect, you know, from, from Youtube ads.

Speaker 3:     17:30         I love that. So when a person's on a youtube ad, is it, are you able to click the link? How do they, what's ease way of getting it from Youtube off youtube to where you want them to go? Yep. So there are there kind of three main campaigns, subtypes when you're running trueview. So Trivia, again, they're the, they're the instream are those pre roll videos we've been talking about. So there's, there's, um, standard trueview, which there's, you can have like a little companion banner banner that's off to the side. You have kind of a link over the video. People can click on that and go to your site or your channel or whatever you wanna do. So that's okay. That's kind of, that's been around a while. It's, it's okay. Um, the next option is called Tru Vue for shopping. So this is again for physical product businesses, but it's a combination of those youtube ads and then Google shopping.

Speaker 3:     18:18         So often the upper right or over the video you've got your product listing ads or, or Google shopping ads. Um, but my favorite format and this will work for ecommerce or non ecommerce is what's called truview for action and that's where in the upper right on desktop or over the video and mobile, you've got a strong call to action button. So it's learn more. Shop now, save now whenever you get to control that button and there's a companion banner and then you put a headline there too. So it's pretty prepared against some good real estate there. And the beauty of that format is you can actually bid on a CPA target. So yeah, you can tell Google, hey, I'm willing, I want to, I want to hit the CBA target now you're going to pay for the impressions and the clicks like, so you're not, you're not only paying a CPA.

Speaker 3:     19:04         That's some confusion people have. But I found Google is pretty good at hitting that CPA target. If you have good audience targeting in a good video overtime you can, you can hit your CPA target. Um, so, so that attribute for action is typically the best way. Like if you're, if you're looking to build your funnel to send people into the top of your funnel or, or whatever, I would, I would probably choose truview for action as the campaign subtype. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. As you take a look at that, you've been doing this a long time. What are some of the tips for people as far as creating the video itself? What? Any specific tips you'd say as far as the video goes? And we kind of in an odd route, a couple of different things, but what specific. Yeah, take, take your time there.

Speaker 3:     19:48         Um, another one of my favorite, a formats to follow for video is just interjecting a bunch of customer testimonials. Right? So that there's a great video for grammarly. Have you ever seen grammarly? They're not a client or anything, but they, it's software that helps you with your grammar mistakes. So you can, you can blue, it's just an add onto your browser, but as you're typing in in huge email or whatever, it's going to correct your mistakes for you, which is handy for a lot of people. Um, so the, the video that they have that they run on youtube, it's really just, it's like a bunch of different scenarios. It's the college student, it's the professional, you know, up and comer. It's the guy looking to get a job and there is just saying, you know, it's nice when I'm sending my email for my, my, my resume with my resume to catch all the mistakes that I'm making or it catches mistakes I didn't even know I was making.

Speaker 3:     20:39         So it kind of, as you look at it, it's like a combination of the most commented on things. So you kind of look at what are people saying about your product and structure that structure, the ad that way. Um, so a couple of things that I would consider is one, I would, I would show the ad to people that are in your market before you run it. So, so, so I have some people preview it and not, not like employees or, or just friends or whatever, but people who are in your market and ask them, you know, what their, what their thoughts are, feelings are things like that. Um, uh, but, but going back to some of the things I mentioned before, you know, it's got to have that arresting opener. It's got to be very benefit oriented and lead with the strongest benefit, you know.

Speaker 3:     21:19         So like Geico as an example, you know, they're always talking about cost savings. So 50 percent or 50 minutes could save you 15 percent or more on car insurance. Don't talk about all the other stuff as much the hammer on that, that cost savings because they've determined that's what causes people to switch. That's the trigger that causes someone to pick up the phone or, or we're going line. And so what is the strongest benefit for your product? Lead with that hammer on that. Come back to that, uh, get some social proof in there. So, so I like, I like endorsements, like actual customer testimonials. Um, and then I like some kind of objection handling. So if you think about these are the top one to two to three objections that someone has so, so, and again you kind of go back to your customer on this where people say, Hey, I'm worried that this is going to break too soon or will it last or whatever.

Speaker 3:     22:07         And so, so if the, if that's a concern, you talk about your guarantee, you know that hey we've got a, we've got a 10 year guarantee or whatever. No, no questions asked, that type of thing. So what are the objections someone has bring those up and answer those, solve those right there in the video and then, and then some kind of strong call to action. So it's always interesting to me like you wouldn't think this would be necessary but like a video with a call to action versus one without the differences is pretty drastic. Like even just a, hey, check it out now, go, go and you design your own whatever, you know, go to our little style guide and design your own thing or go download this report or go check this out or go get free shipping or go get, go get five of these triathlons and back the ones that don't fit or something like that.

Speaker 3:     22:50         Um, so some strong call to action. You got to end with that. Um, and, and then one other kind of little tip that we sometimes do is we'll now we kinda got a pretty good sense like, hey, this video is likely to work a, nobody's ever always right there you got it, you had a test that you get to know are you going to get the market decides ultimately not, not us as marketers, but um, we'll often run ads to our remarketing audiences first just to see like, what is he like, you know, because likely it's not going to just crash and burn. You're going to spend that much money, but you can at least see, okay, what's the view rate? Are People engaging with us? We, you know, uh, and, and then then decide, okay, this probably isn't worth rolling out to a bigger audience at this point. Um, so yeah, just just go a couple of tips and. But I can totally geek out on video production all day. I, we don't do video production just, just so you know, we're, we're more on the running the campaign side and stuff, but I love, I love the creative aspect and feel like got a pretty good handle on what, what works and what doesn't. So

Speaker 2:     23:47         that's it. That's awesome. I know it was funny when we were even just doing some of the content that we put out there on youtube, like our funnel hacker TV. At first we didn't even make, make any mention as far as make sure you subscribe down below next episode or there like that. It's been crazy. Just that, just tell them to subscribe or to ring the Bell and get notifications. Those little tiny things totally changed the whole game. For us. It is sit down like 50 or 60 videos before we ever thought we should tell them what the video, even though it's free, even though it's free

Speaker 3:     24:18         and even though the subscribe button is there, they still need to be told. It's like people need permission or they need to know like that's what you want them to do. Or maybe they're just not thinking about it, but you make it a simple ask a. I mean it seems like it shouldn't have to be that way, but. But it is so yeah, make the ask, make that call to action of some kind. It'll make a huge difference.

Speaker 2:     24:40         Well that's awesome. Well Brett, anything else before we kind of wrap things up here?

Speaker 3:     24:44         Man, it's just uh, you know, I think if you have the ability, if you have a product that works for video, which most do, if you tell your story in a unique way through video, I think now's the time to test youtube. It's still in its early stages. There's not a lot of people are, you know, compared to facebook on a lot of people advertising on youtube, you know, facebook is running into, you know, Max add capacity in the newsfeed is what I'm hearing a lot of cases and prices are going up and things like that. And again, I'm not, I'm not disparaging facebook. We use facebook, we love it. There's almost unlimited inventory on, on youtube too and just, just some ideas and so many people. So if you have a good video, if you have a good funnel built out, I think now's the time to test youtube, you know, and, and maybe one of the things you do is you get, get on and start, start kind of clicking around on youtube and look for some of those good pre roll videos, the videos that strike you and capture you and uh, and, and, and kind of look to mimic those.

Speaker 3:     25:43         So.

Speaker 2:     25:45         Well that's awesome. But I appreciate it. A 10 again, if people want to find out more information, where do they go?

Speaker 3:     25:50         Yeah, best place is just go over to omg That's our, our sites. Check that out there, get some resources and stuff. You can also google me, Brett Curry, a cso of my articles and stuff on youtube and Google shopping and whatnot, and then I do have a podcast, a ecommerce evolution, so we talk all things ecommerce, so check that out as well.

Speaker 2:     26:10         Awesome. Well Brad, again, so great. Can you again, we'll connect. I'm sure one of the seminars or events that were at. I'm sure we'll see each other around, so thanks again for your time. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3:     26:20         Yeah, really glad to be here. Thanks for the invite and we'll. We'll chat soon.

Speaker 4:     26:24         Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me or I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as at the people like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Oct 9, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to Hailey:

Head of Marketing at and Co-Founder of Growth Marketing Pro, Hailey Friedman has helped hundreds of companies grow their bottom line through digital marketing. Hailey will discuss digital marketing basics and how to integrate it into your funnel, as well as give her tips on what works and what doesn’t when you are marketing your business.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • How to get customers (1:25)
  • Getting started with Google Ads (6:25)
  • What is most important in a marketing funnel (10:45)
  • The allowable cost per acquisition (16:40)

Quotable Moments:

"Websites are dying"

"As a marketer, I never send traffic to a website"

Other Tidbits: Websites are becoming obsolete.  Instead of sending customers to a website, try sending them to a landing page that is designed specifically to push them down a sales funnel.



Speaker 1:   00:00     Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Art, everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker

Speaker 2:   00:19     radio. I'm your host Dave Woodward, and today have the opportunity to having Hailey Friedman on the show. Haley, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3:   00:23     Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2:   00:26     I'm excited. So Haley's the head marketing or is head of marketing over at [inaudible] dot io. She's also the cofounder of growth marketing pro where she sells literally hundreds of companies grow their bottom line through digital marketing is one of the main reasons we wanted to have her on today is what you thought about really growing your audience. In addition to that, we're going to talk about some of the metrics and things that she's said loves to geek out on. So in addition to that, she also serves as the president Badass marketers and founders and I would just write, and I think you said there's over like 20,000 members that right?

Speaker 3:   00:54     Yeah. There's 20,000 members globally.

Speaker 2:   00:56     Crazy and I think you're running the, the primary group up in the Silicon Valley area.

Speaker 3:   01:01     Yeah. I'm the president of the San Francisco chapter.

Speaker 2:   01:05     Awesome. Well, I'm going to dive right into this and one of the things you and I were talking about just briefly here was this whole idea as far as how to get customers. I think that's the biggest struggle most people have is they get this wonderful idea and trying to find a way of, of getting that out to the market. So what are some of the things that you've seen? I know you spend a lot of time looking at different platforms and technology and it's not as much about the tech as it is about some of the other stuff. So how do you actually help people get customers?

Speaker 3:   01:33     Yeah, I mean this is a challenge that I personally faced myself. I was a founder. Um, I tried to start something on my own and the biggest lesson that I took away from it was no, you can have an incredible team and you can have an amazing product, but if you don't know how to get customers and you don't have anything worth very much at all. So that's kind of what set me off on this journey to figure out like how do you get Joe Schmoe to buy something and I'm just like big gray box that I really did not understand and to an unwrapped how, how this works. And so, um, I just, I lived across the country from New York to San Francisco. I joined a startup at the ground floor. I just became a sponge and I just learned everything that I possibly could about marketing.

Speaker 3:   02:18     I read blogs and conferences and the experts. Um, and then I implemented them not only at my job but for my friends and my family, like anyone who would let me. And I really kind of got my feet wet, figuring, figuring this stuff out. And so there's, there's really nothing better than trial and error. You learn a lot, but at this point I've probably done it like so many times that I've gathered this book of knowledge in my brain about what actually works and what doesn't work and it really depends on what the part of it that I think is so fun is that it's different for every business. Every business has different customers. You have different goals, you have different marketing budget and resources timeline that you need to hit those goals. And so like all those things need to be considered when you're figuring out what is the lowest hanging fruit thing I can do to get customers.

Speaker 3:   03:08     And so it's hard to give a blanket statement, which is why through growth marketing pro we're often helping founders one off like marketing marketers and founders that need one off helpful. We'll, we'll customize a plan for them. But overall I like to think of it like this. Like where is the highest intent? Customers like where, where are your highest intent customers? So for example, um, referral programs always have the highest intent because people who are visiting your website that were referred by a friend and they were already sold and educated by their close friend or family and now they're visiting your site and they're going to convert at like 25 percent, whereas the average trapped under convert converted one percent. So if you already have customers start a referral program, that's how you'll get like the highest intent people to your website.

Speaker 2:   04:03     Similar to I hear a ton about different types of referral programs. What are some of the things and referral problems you've seen that really work well?

Speaker 3:   04:11     Yeah. So surprisingly people are not as motivated to referred friends when you pay them as much as they are to offer something of value to their friend. So people in when, when they're socially interacting with friends, they want to kind of be able to gift them something. So if you can create that vibe, then you're, your referral program will likely perform better.

Speaker 2:   04:40     I've seen that they get a discount and you get a discount at the same time by offering a coupon code like that.

Speaker 3:   04:51     Yeah, definitely. Um, and that works better than just having you get a discount and nothing for your friend. Yeah. Um, yeah. So I think, um, referral programs can be really difficult to track if you are going to implement one. I recommend using a tool I've used ambassador in the past. There's a lot of different tools you could use but definitely can get really hairy if you don't get super organized with your tracking links and things. So I'm tracking can become a nightmare. But um, yeah, along the same lines of, of high intent channels, I think affiliate programs with you can get like bloggers and influencers mentioning your product and sending traffic. That's also a great way to get like really trustworthy people doing the selling for you kind of thing. So those are high intent and then, you know, if you're looking at paid channels, if you have a budget and you're trying to figure out, you know, do I spend money on Google ads or do I spend money on facebook or, or whatever. Um, again, like think about intent, you know, someone who is searching a specific keyword related to your business as far higher intent than someone who's just browsing through facebook looking their friends' photos. Right? So a while facebook is not some channel for a lot of things. I would if there is search volume related to your product, then I would always recommend starting with intense is highest, which would be on google ads

Speaker 2:   06:13     in Google ads seem to be the holy grail, but at the same time it's one most confusing things for most marketers. Everyone seems to kind of first of all go to facebook. It's easier to work with and things as you've worked inside of the Google ad network and the platform. What are some of the things that you've seen that work really well for a person who's just trying to kind of get the feet wet with Google? Where would you tell them that they should start?

Speaker 3:   06:35     Yeah. I always start with like your branded keywords that someone literally searches for the name of your brand. You want to be there and then your competitors' keywords. So the names of your competitors, you want to be there too. That's content, lowest hanging fruit. Those people are already well educated, either about the name of your business or the name of your competitors. And so that's always the best place to start. And from there it's really just like careful testing. But again, thinking about when you're thinking about keywords like which of these keywords, long tail keywords are gonna be customers who have already thought very deeply about this and um, and if you are going to go higher funnel, more broad keywords, then you're likely going to want to serve content that's going to act as a funnel to your adapt to your purchase.

Speaker 2:   07:32     So, speaking of funnels, I know you're in the process of creating your own and your first click funnels here, expert secrets. When you start thinking about a funnel, especially, you just made the mention as far as you know, top of the funnel, high end funnel. Explain to people exactly what that means.

Speaker 3:   07:48     So I think people, people are at different stages of their purchase journey. And when I think about the top of the funnel, I think about the beginning of that journey, maybe someone doesn't know that they need your product. And so at the top of the funnel, people are doing their initial research, if you can create content that captured them at that stage and then you can become the teacher, the person who's being the educator, you can kind of like walk them down the funnel down to purchase product. Um, so basically people that are high in the funnel may not be super high intense quite yet. And as they get lower into the funnel, their intent becomes higher and higher and conserve them different types of content. So as they're deeper in the funnel, it becomes maybe not as much educational content, more not as broad educational concept, but it gets more narrow into your product. So you can serve them content that maybe shows a product walkthrough of your product or testimonials of people who purchase your products. And so there's kind of this sequential messaging that happens as someone goes from top of funnel.

Speaker 2:   08:54     I love, I had this conversation with

Speaker 3:   08:56     my son earlier this morning. He's doing some affiliate marketing for me inside of click funnels and I would sit there, I sit there talking to him about it and he's like, you had. It's really hard to get someone just to take a free trial of clickfunnels, and I'm like, yeah, you're right. Especially if they don't even know what a funnel is. I said, we're in the process right now of creating this whole idea as far as the death of the website and trying to help a lot of local business owners who think, Gosh, all I need is a website to help them understand that really websites are dying. They're not already getting some industries and really how a funnel works and so if you start with funnel jargon, people are going to go, I don't even know what a funnel is, what are you talking about it?

Speaker 3:   09:34     So I love that idea. I just appreciate just kind of hitting home as far as where in that actual funnel are they top of the funnel, mid funnel, bottom of the funnel, and it totally changes the experience as well as the conversation that you're having with them. So I appreciate your going through that. Totally. That's so funny that you say that about the websites because we talked with marketing part talks a lot of, um, people that are just getting started and they have this website now. Like I have this amazing website, I to my website that is just not how it works. There's so much more intention that goes as a marketer, I never send traffic to a website, never ever. So as a marketer, I'm always sending traffic to landing pages that are specifically pushing people down a funnel, a very specific funnel. They have a very specific call to action, just one button on a page. And so websites that have menus with lots of different options, it's like you're, um, you're spending money to get traffic to that page and then you're losing people. You're giving them a million different places to click options and you're not helping them get through the funnel.

Speaker 2:   10:37     I appreciate that. Well, here we've started to do, I'd like to kind of segway into one of the things I'm most excited about and that's this whole marketing data type of stuff that you'd love to geek out on and I know you've got kind of an awkward the end for those people want to stick around as far as a kind of exact how they can track some of this data. So tell me what, what are the things that you're paying attention to in a marketing funnel? What are the metrics that you're following? What's most important?

Speaker 3:   11:00     Alright, well the first thing I want to say is that this stuff is really hard. Um,

Speaker 2:   11:08     wait, all of my listeners right there, they're gone.

Speaker 3:   11:10     Well, no, because I was a lovely side. Thought it was really hard and I understand why you think it is hard because I used to have a really hard time with it. I was really overwhelmed. Is that started out as a marketer? I was like, okay, um, you want me to build a weekly report showing how our marketing campaigns are doing simple enough. Right. Little do I realized that that actually involves logging into facebook and export and all the data logging into google, linkedin email tool, looking at our down revenue and like pulling all this data together takes hours because you've done loggins. These platforms export all the data. Then maybe you import them into a Google spreadsheet or excel. Then you have another tab where you may be creating a dashboard and you're using formulas and you're trying to map the data all together and hopefully your formulas are right and hopefully and then even at that point you just have like a big sheet of numbers and then you're going to have to present these numbers of people who are going to want to make sense of them.

Speaker 3:   12:12     So they should probably be in charge now. It needs to be pretty in this whole thing. I swear like it used to take me two to three days of my week to prepare for the meeting with a meeting with our CEO just to be able to like pull, pull the numbers together, make them pretty enough for other people to understand. But also for me to understand like not only like putting the data together, but then so do the analytics and figure out the insights and figure out what's not going well and what needs to change. Just like the whole thing. It's so tedious. It is so time consuming and I can promise you that there is a marketer at every single company doing this, like somebody is doing this. And I was doing this annually about six months ago. I left my job, my last company, and I wanted to work at a marketing company, some kind of marketing tool that was helping marketers because I love thinking about marketing.

Speaker 3:   13:10     I wanted to market to marketers and this is all very meta, but I've heard about this company called it provato that was looking for a head of marketing. And it was a tool that basically automated that whole process that I was pretty miserable over. Um, so basically they just sink into all the different platforms like facebook and Google ads and all your crm and all the things. And then it's just like slurps up the data into one place where it just lifts in real time all the time. So you can check on any ad, any campaign across any platform in one place or you can send it to your visualization tool. So the Google data studio or tableau or looker, wherever you want to visualize it, you just have this real time reporting. So you never ever have to like do that crappy stuff that all of us marketers are wasting time that ever again.

Speaker 3:   14:03     Um, yeah. And so, and so that's, that's what my mission is now, to kind of spread the word that this is an option because I certainly didn't know it was. And um, you know, as a marketer and my favorite part is the strategy part. It's the thinking about using the tests and new ideas to try and optimizing what's working and don't want to be in spreadsheets all day. Just getting started. What are some of the most important metrics they should be paying attention to? I think a lot of times I see people making the mistake of looking at the wrong metrics. And so this is definitely an important question.

Speaker 3:   14:43     It can be easy as a marketer get excited about top of the funnel metrics. Here we go. Talking about funnel signups, right? So at my last job I was at a company called realty shares and it was a real estate investing platform online and so I was getting were doing google, Google ads and we were running ads to the keyword real estate crowd funding, which is what it's called when you invest in real estate online, not everyone knows what the word real estate crowd funding is. So the people who have typed that in have very high intent, right? And those people would convert and they would the time paying investors in great customers. And so I wanted to expand from there and try and see if it worked and follow more people. So I tested out real estate investing as a keyword, which seems like a logical next step, real estate investing. And we tested it and while we were getting tons of signups for really cheap, this was awesome. I'm like, great, let's spend more money here. A couple months later I realized none of the people that signed up from the keyword real estate investing ever made an investment

Speaker 3:   15:57     and so it's really easy to get excited by like sign up metrics, but what actually matters is like actual customers, actual paying customers, if none of those people become paying customers and that's actually not a good place to be spending money, so to kind of just like hold your excitement until you watch people go through the funnel and the different companies, different length of time, which can be challenging as a marketer to wait like a couple months to see if that thing works before you spend more money on it, but it's really about just careful testing and being able to see data from, from sign up all the way through to revenue and being able to tie that back. That revenue back to the child came from

Speaker 2:   16:41     kind of what you're talking about there. The most important thing I always look at is what's that cost to acquire a customer? A paying customer versus the sign sign ups are great, but you can have a whole bunch of people sign up if no one take their credit card out. They are very, very little value to you or to them. So I always look as far as what's that cost to acquire the customer, what's obviously the average cart value. If we can kind of look at that where we get in at least inside of a funnel where the average cart value, if I can get the average car value to be equal to the cost to acquire customer base, getting customers for free and then I send them up the sales ladder from there. So

Speaker 3:   17:16     keeping track, you know the customers signed up within a channel and that have gone on to make a purchase and you can have that revenue. You can just take that revenue number and divided by the number of signups that you got. And now you have your legs allowable cost per acquisition for a, for a signup. And so if you go above that, you're know you're losing money and if you go below that, you know you're making money. So

Speaker 2:   17:44     can you repeat that Formula One more time just for those people are listening to, they understand because I think it's a real important number to. To track.

Speaker 3:   17:49     Yeah. So I call the allowable the allowable cost per acquisition for a signup for someone that signed up. So within a given channel, if you keep track of, say for example your, your check, looking at facebook as a channel, you know that you got x number of signups on facebook and then he got y number of customers that actually paid and then you have a certain number of revenue. So if you take that revenue number, how much you made from people that you acquired on facebook and then you divide it by the number of signups that you got at the very start. Then you have this number that I like to call the allowable and that's kind of like your breakeven cost for acquisition, for facebook, for this specific channel, so that can rate. That can vary from channel to channel. You might have a different allowable cost per acquisition on facebook. Then you have google ads and this is really, really important when, when you're optimizing for channel two to realize that that's different. So on facebook you'll have this number and this is your allowable cost per acquisition and you want to stay below it because it's what soon as you start going, oh, if you're an addict, you're a even, that means like the, the amount that you're spending and getting

Speaker 3:   19:10     on facebook is the same and if you're over it then you're losing money on facebook and if you're under it then,

Speaker 2:   19:16     then you're awesome. So just running some numbers here. If I have 100 people sign up and they'll say 10 of those buy and it's a turtle a product. So it's a $2,000 total. So I've got basically 2000 bucks I made and divide that by 100. In other words, it means I could basically spend up to 20 bucks for a signup. That sound right. And so I think it's important for people who are listening to understand. We talked so much about what's my cost to acquire the customer? Well, that cost to acquire a customer. It could be 200 bucks because that's what they're paying me, but if it actually costs you that sign up as a 10th of that, I think that's an important number to kind of track and pay attention to. So I appreciate to appreciate you kind of go through there.

Speaker 3:   19:58     Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:   19:59     Well Haley, I know we're kind of get close to wrapping things up here where, where can people get more information on tracking this kind of stuff?

Speaker 3:   20:06     Yeah. So I actually need a blank template just for you guys who are listening, if you want to look at what my marketing dashboard looks like. Um, before I automated that. So this is when I go into Google sheets and I make all these different tabs so that I can see what's happening from a marketing perspective weekly, daily, monthly, yearly. Like how I figured out my goals. I have all these different tabs in a google sheet and I kind of took out all the data and made it blank for you in case you want to use it yourself. That's what I, when I do my marketing data manually, that's what it looks like. Do you want to automate? It can help you there, but if you just want this Google spreadsheet, definitely take a and download it for yourself. You can access it at that io slash podcast. You want spelling Pramada for us? Yes, I am t r o v a d o Dot io slash podcast. It's so funny. I had this terrible time and spelling allowed senior. I'm the table so that I. You

Speaker 2:   21:16     did a great job spelling for it, so I appreciate it.

Speaker 3:   21:18     Yeah.

Speaker 2:   21:21     Well, let any last remarks here before we got to wrap things up.

Speaker 3:   21:25     Um, let's see. Follow or connect with me on linkedin. I'd love to, uh, to chat there. That's probably the best place. My name is Haley Friedman, so you can find me on there.

Speaker 2:   21:36     Awesome. Well, Haley, thanks so much. I appreciate your time and appreciate all that you guys are doing to push marketing forward. So thank you. Thank you. This is a lot of fun.

Speaker 4:   21:45     Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, I only just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview. I'm more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you so I can go to itunes rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Sep 26, 2018

Entrepreneurial Intersections with Dave Woodward:

Dave Woodward goes solo for this podcast, discussing the importance behind building momentum and moving forward with your entrepreneurial journey! Dave compares a typical entrepreneurs journey to the likes of a street intersection; where there is no straight path to success, more so, a journey where red-lights and random turns are expected.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • You are only one funnel away: (3:34)
  • Carrying the momentum forward: What are you trying to accomplish? (4:28)
  • Overcoming the struggles to become successful: (7:19)

Quotable Moments:

“You are literally one funnel away. Realize though, it may take many different funnels to crack the code for you… you have to make a decision and keep moving forward.”

“There is no such in thing in an entrepreneur’s life as this straight upward road of progression… you are on a journey, it takes time and a lot of turns and things that get frustrating.”

“There is no such thing as overnight success.”

Other Tidbits:

Dave brings it all together by talking about the program, the One Funnel Away Challenge, and the excitement behind both projects. He encourages people to respect the process and do not try to avoid failing, because it happens to us all.



Speaker 1:     00:00         Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Welcome back

Speaker 2:     00:18         everybody. This is. I'm actually out. Just finished little morning workout and I'm walking back to the house and was walking through some of these intersections and everything else I was thinking, you know what? It's amazing to me in life how many people approach every single intersection and their life as if it's a red light and I see this happen so often, especially with people who have tried a couple of things and they don't always work exactly the way they want them and after awhile you kind of get beat up and you're like, you know what? Every single thing I do, nothing works. Every single thing I do, there's no way it'll ever. It'll just can't work and it only works for everybody else. And I think the biggest problem we see with a lot of entrepreneurs is this whole idea of, you know what? I see everyone else getting this two comma club.

Speaker 2:     01:02         I see everyone else having success. I see everyone else posting there. Things will work for them. Nothing ever works for me. Listen, in life you will always have intersections, but realize as you approach an intersection, a lot of time it's a green light. You don't have to think that every single time. It's a red light. Same thing happens as far as approaching this a little bit yellow. You can either be super cautious and not do anything or you just go for it. I see. The other thing happened where people were literally sitting at the light and it's green and everyone else starts honking behind him going, would you please move my. The reason is saying this is I was talking to someone just the other day about this whole idea as far as the one comic club, so for those of you guys aren't from the other one comma club, the way it works is one common club.

Speaker 2:     01:44         We have a program where folks on that our two comma club, so the way the two comma club works is it's basically a funnel that you have built that has done over a million dollars. Now realize that when we say this, it doesn't mean it has to all been through clickfunnels, meaning it doesn't mean every single dollar was tractor clickfunnels. We have a lot of people hit our two comma club who actually use click funnels as a lead gen and then they take them offline and they sell them through a call center or they will basically have a different merchant that we can't track or c, but it started through click funnels and because of that then they've used that. I've seen people do this in a franchise model. I've seen people to use this for call centers. I've seen all sorts of different things, but let's take an application through a webinar and then they'll sell them offline and all those people then qualify for what we refer to as the two Comma Club where they've made over a million dollars through a funnel or started with it in the funnel and then had what we referred to as a funnel stack.

Speaker 2:     02:40         So the idea here is you get started in it and you take the lead through a Webinar in application and then you take them to offline to a, a phone call and that phone call basically closes them. Or, uh, you started off with a free plus shipping offer and that free plus shipping offer after the free plus shipping offer you then have back then leads an upsale inside of the funnel that then goes to another funnel afterwards. And so you start stacking two or three funnels on top. And that even though it could be as long as the same product or service, that still qualifies for r two Comma Club. While he's insane, as people ask me all the time, is this really true? Are People really getting up building a million dollar business inside of clickfunnels? Yes. The answer is absolutely yes. We have our 352 people have done it, but my reason to bring this to your attention is so often people will say, it just doesn't work.

Speaker 2:     03:29         David can't work. It doesn't work for me. We had this thing that was the idea as far as a one funnel away and meaning you literally are just one funnel away. Realize though it may take five, six, seven, 10 different funnels to finally crack the code that works for you. So as you start looking at the intersections in your life, realize sometimes you come to a t intersection where you literally, you can't go forward. You have to go right or left, but you got to make a choice and you've got to actually take that choice and make a decision and keep moving forward. The hard part for most people is they. They look at life at every choice, as a roadblock, as there's absolutely no way in the world anything's going to work for me. Realize that for a lot of us sometimes those roads, they're under construction and they're a little bumpy at times and then they get frustrated and all of a sudden you got to.

Speaker 2:     04:21         You got to slow down a little bit. The key here is you got to have momentum. You got to keep pushing forward. You got to keep your eye on the ball as far as what. What are you trying to accomplish? I absolutely love seeing a lot of the people right now who have taken part in our 30 days, 30 A program where they literally are a. we've got a virtual summit that starts next week. I don't know when you guys are listening to this, but it starts September 17th, 18th 19th were. The challenge was if you literally lost everything, so we went out to again to our two comma club award winners and over 100 and we asked if you lost everything, what would you literally do from step one day one through day 32 to get back on top if all you had was a click funnels account and the Internet, and it's been fascinating for me to see those different things and what they've done.

Speaker 2:     05:10         More importantly for me though is now what they've done. It's what people are doing who are starting to watch this and pay attention to it. We then are going to have what we refer to as our one funnel away challenge, realizing that everybody is just one funnel away. It may take you six, seven, eight, nine, 10 different funnels. Just like when you're going down a road on any course or any map or any plot that you have, it's going to take you a couple of different turns. It's there's no such thing in life, especially as an entrepreneur, his life as this straight upward road of progression it man, it's like any other road when you're. You're on a journey, it takes a lot of time, there's a lot of turns, there's a lot of things that get frustrated and things don't go exactly the way you want, but realizing they were in your life, especially in business, that every single you come to it is not always a red light.

Speaker 2:     05:59         Realize that most of the time it's a yellow or it's a green and you're sitting there because you're not moving forward. You're not having this. You're not feeling any success. So realize that the most important thing here as an entrepreneur, you've got to have momentum. You got to keep pushing forward, and I don't care how long it takes, the key is keep moving forward. Um, I'm so excited. So, so excited to see what happens out of this one funnel away challenged because the idea behind it here is we want people to literally get started. I think the hardest part for most entrepreneurs is we're looking for the one funnel. It's got to happen this first time. I live in mount my last dollar. Dave, there's no way in the world I can't do it. Listen, I've been on my last dollar so many times that the key is you just keep going through that last dollar and there's always another dollar.

Speaker 2:     06:49         It doesn't come maybe as fast as you want. I get that, but realize you have to have momentum. You got to keep pushing forward. You gotta find a way to have a stronger why and just realize right now I'm actually outside of my house. Just got done working out and walking back and I'm fascinated as I look around and I see the struggles that people go through and as I've been really reflecting on this for awhile now, realizing that the only way you get success is by literally going through all the craziness in life. There's no such thing as an overnight success. I can tell you my success is probably my wife would say it's probably been like a 24 year. No, just kidding. It's been one of those things where I've had success and then I've had failure and I've had success, and then I've had failure.

Speaker 2:     07:39         That's part of the journey. That's part of the realize that as we talked about here, as far as this whole intersection, these entrepreneurial intersections in life, there's a lot of times where man that wrote under construction, you literally have to stop. I get it, but the key is you got to find a way around it and to me, life is all about finding, taking every opportunity possibly can to find a way of continuing to move forward. Every once in while I get it where you. You just have to pull off to the side of the road and you've got to just recollect your thoughts and kind of figure out where am I going to go next, but keep moving forward. Don't, don't get frustrated by everybody else's success. The only one that matters is you, and as long as you're moving forward and finding mentors and doing whatever it takes, you get there.

Speaker 2:     08:27         You eventually get there. The only way you don't get there is when you stop. When you pull over to the side of the road and you literally stopped or you turn around and just give up. Realize that the key to any part of this here is in any entrepreneur's journey, is to understand that you are going to come across so many different intersections, so many different challenges, so many different opportunities, and the key is to realize that listen, the harder you fight and the more you work, you truly are. You're just one funnel away and I've seen this happen so many times in my own personal life as well as in the lives of those that I work with. So I just. I hope as you take a look at this and you think you're thinking wherever you might be listening to this. First of all, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:     09:09         I appreciate you took the time to listen to this. I hope that if I can give you any advice, encouragement at all is to understand that it's worth the journey. It's worth. It's worth going through every single intersection in your life and taking the fight. I personally believe that every single one of us have value that other people need from us, and the way you get that value is by sharing it with each other, with other people. That value can come through, sharing it through building a funnel. I hope you get some value out of listening to some of these podcasts and if it's not mine, it's somebody else's, but realize there's others out there who are there to help you, encourage you and gets you to where you want to go. Have an amazing, amazing day. Again, I appreciate anybody to take time to listen to this. I would love if you would either a, rate this review at. Give me comments, give me feedback. I'm trying to find out what's working, what you're liking, what what you don't like, and most importantly, what's the value to you? Feel free to send me a facebook message or email me. I read all the reviews on itunes as well, so, uh, let me know what's working for you, what's not, and just again, realize who you truly are. You're just one funnel away. Have an amazing day and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 3:     10:23         Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Sep 24, 2018

Why Dave Decided to talk to David Asarnow:

David Asarnow is a visionary entrepreneur, digital marketing leader and author of the upcoming book The Competition. A four-time member of ClickFunnels Two Comma Club and 2018 8-Figure Award Winner, David is passionate about helping entrepreneurs create massive value, leverage, and profits through his proprietary monetization strategies and online challenge.  David recently co-launched the Ultimate Life Foundation Course designed to walk entrepreneurs through the exact steps they need to create their ultimate life and business in just 60 days.

Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:

  • How do you scale your company? (2:07)
  • How to master and run an agency. (5:57)
  • Starting from scratch: Business tips. (15:25)

Quotable Moments:

"Business Nitrogen… we are a monetization agency. We are really good at helping people monetize their visions and dreams."

"Most people try to overcomplicate it. Just have fun, connect with your audience, and then, magic starts to happen."

"If you treat people with loyalty and respect, you will get it in return."

Other Tidbits:

David discusses Business nitrogen: what it is and does! He talks about his monetization agency and how they effectively help people achieve their business goals; as well as different concepts and ideas. He enlightens the audience on how to build a business, scale properly, as well as hiring the right people.



Speaker 1:     00:00           Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. Okay. I'm your

Speaker 2:     00:19           host, Dave Woodward, and today I am so excited to bring back Mr David Dot Sarno. David, welcome to the show. Thanks Dave. Thanks for having me here. I am so excited. So those you guys don't know. David, he's been crushing it. He's got a company called business nitrogen. Tell people about what business nitrogen does and then we'll talk about this crazy wall. It's behind you that no one can see, but I'm just amazed at that. That's right. No one can see it. So business nitrogen, if you look at what do we do? We're a monetization agency. People have their crazy concepts, their ideas, and they just don't know how to get them blonde so they don't know how to take her from six figures to seven figures, seven figures to eight figures, eight figures it up and they come to business nitrogen because we are really good at helping people monetize their visions and their dreams does.

Speaker 2:     01:03           That's awesome. Uh, so for those you guys who can't see this amazing wall, what I'm staring at, so I've got dead right in the screen, but behind him is this blue lit wall that has this huge eight figure award, right? The big x right in the middle and then surrounded by are four other two Comma Club award. I mean, this guy has been crushing it not only for yourself, David, I think, which I think is cool, but also for your clients. And I think that's the part I want to make sure we've talked to people about today is you and I were just, before we started doing the recording, we're talking about when you and I met almost kind of a first year of, of click funnels. Really some of the things we were doing and where it's come and I think people don't understand the impact that it's had, not only for click funnels but on you and your life, but most importantly on your clients' lives.

Speaker 2:     01:48           I mean you've got clients now again, we were. You were on stage at funnel hacking live and you and one of your client forgot his name. I just drew up Warren Warren, so basically he's getting this beautiful ring that we presented to them, but it was because of you and the business that you helped him build. So if you don't mind, tell people just a little bit about. I know you say you taught you scaled companies, but how do you actually do it? That's what people want. How do you really scale? I mean, you're an agency full service agency that's been killing it for a long time. So I was doing this before. I mean before click funnels was around. I mean when I was in, when I was in my twenties, I was building. I built a business for someone else who went from zero to $45,000,000 over five years.

Speaker 2:     02:32           I built a division for a company that was 50 years old. We just went into new way in a different way, so when people often ask, you know, how do I. it's so funny because what? Then I went off and I started a franchise company. We grew that to top 15 hot franchise, so the skillset of building businesses is building a business. You start with strategy and that's one of the big things that I think that most people have a problem with is they get really excited and they get a lot of shiny objects and I can be in there all over the place and they don't get really clear, really focused in one thing that Russell's had a lot of things at the last funnel hacking live. He said something that was very profound and I've repeated it over and over again. He said, stop building funnel after funnel after funnel.

Speaker 2:     03:22           Pick one funnel. Refine that. Make that so focused, so good and so connected to your audience in your niche that once it gets to a million dollars, then you can add onto it, then you can change. And, and really if you ask what do we do, you just get very clear and laser focused. And for me, because I work with clients and I helped the clients monetize it, I compartmentalize. So when I'm on this client, I am 100 percent focused in on their strategy, their niche, what do they need to do to connect with their audience differently? And here's the interesting thing that most people don't realize. I know you guys do it. The funnel, I mean, here's the cool thing, russell is using a funnel that can do, you know, seven, eight plus figures, right? And then someone else had the exact same funnel and it doesn't produce a dollar.

Speaker 2:     04:11           Why? Because he knows his audience, he knows how to communicate with his audience. And one of the cool thing, I mean, what most people don't know is actually I have a two time emmy award winning media person. I'm abby give in our company now that we actually help our clients create and craft their media message on the front end. I've been the facebook five times over the last couple months invited because we're now not. We're investing over $2,000,000 a month of client's investment on facebook, so we get to participate and really learn what's going and the cool thing is it's having that message to market match. It's understanding your niche, it's understanding your audience and then making sure that your funnel does a really good job. Does it distract, but make sure that it compliments exactly what you're saying on the front end and then leads them down that journey and keeps that communication going and that makes it really easy when you have clients who are willing to participate in the process and just, you know, it's like I say, you do like Mr Miyagi, paint the fence, wax on, wax off.

Speaker 2:     05:16           It's most people try to overcomplicate it. Just have fun, connect with your audience, and then magic starts to happen. I love it. Uh, I can tell you, David, one of the things that you are just the best that you just talked about as far as amy give, you have this ability to act as the quarterback of an amazing team and to, again, you can either use the analogy as far as a quarterback of the football team or the general contractor. How do you, I mean, you have this mindset from strategy there that a lot of people, you and I were talking about this regarding our whole certified partners program and some of the frustrations that some people ran into with the idea that you can't master everything and you didn't go about trying to master absolutely everything. Help people understand what's the best. If you're going to run an agency like you're running.

Speaker 2:     06:01           I mean you guys are doing huge numbers. If you're going to master and run an agency like that, how do you act as a quarterback? How do you gain the skill set to run a business like you're doing it? Well, if you look at it this way of running a business is like being a parent. Um, within your team, you've got to, you know, it's like listening, it's coaching, it's mentoring. Um, I learned I wasn't good in the beginning when I first got the opportunity to build that $45 million division. I had a really good mentor and we're still friends today and if you watch this, his name's mark graff. And he was willing to, to, to let me make mistakes. He was willing to ask me, you know, what do you think, why would you do it this way? And I asked him why did he do that?

Speaker 2:     06:47           And he said, because when you're a manager one day, you're going to need to be able to. You'll never be able to build something that's scalable. If everything has to go through you and I'm creating you into a mini me. I'm creating you to learn how to ask the right questions to listen, to get strategic and your frack. I hired you because you come up with better ideas than I do and I just learned. And so how, how do I build a business like this? A I, I hire some really good people. I test everyone that there's an old adage, hire slowly fire quickly, hire slowly. So many people want to just hire someone that they put a warm body in place. And so I test people out. I all bring on, if I want to hire someone, I will hire a higher, sometimes three people on a test project and see how they give me an idea about that because I love, I've seen you do this before.

Speaker 2:     07:44           I've seen you do it in the graphics area. I've seen you do it in, in different parts. So give me an example of what you would hire them to do and how you would test them before you bring them onto your team. I'll give you an example. About seven, eight years ago, um, I wanted to rebuild my website and my team was really busy and I knew that if I was going to scale I was going to need more team members. So I, I didn't even know what I wanted. I mean, I'm not, I'm probably the hardest person because clients, I expect to know what they want. Sometimes I don't even know. It's sorta like I'll know it when I see it that I'll like it. So what I did was I created a bio and a brief of what I thought is essentially the image, the focus, the feel, the look that I wanted, and I went out and I hired seven different people.

Speaker 2:     08:32           Okay. And I told him to come up with the design. After that, I narrowed it down to I believe four. After that I gave. Once the design was done, I narrowed it down to three and then I paid them. I paid them their full rate. I didn't try to say here's one of the things people often say is, well, I'm going to ask you, Hey, do a test project. And I'll see how know I paid them their full asking rate. I didn't ask any questions. It's an investment to find someone who's good and guess what? Out of that I hired those three people and and today one of them is one of my stars who is, who is my, one of my top click funnels people. Because then when we, from the time I met you, I'm from the click funnels. I just have them start building funnels for six months doing nothing else.

Speaker 2:     09:22           This was before you had any training before? There was a certification and that's my my. Before I will put a team member to work on a project. I will have them working at least six months just I have one guy who's just building funnels for a year right now and I don't have more pain on client projects. I'll have them hack stuff and do like that protest project because he's not where I want them yet. So I'm willing to take the time in training and development team are running it like a real company versus just, Hey, I do a funnel here and it's running from project to project to project. I mean we have retainer clients who've been with us for almost eight years

Speaker 2:     10:02           and and the reason is because we're a partner in their success and you know, I mean I believe that you just got to treat people with respect and don't just hire. It's like I've heard people say, well, I'm hiring an outsourcer. I'll and then I can let them go. Dude. They've got families. They want stability. I mean keep it if you treat it, if you treat people like with the, the, the. If you treat people with loyalty and respect, you'll get it in return. I love that. Again, you've only, I know a couple of your team members and it's so cool as you sit and talk to them, how much they enjoy working with you and how you are so focused on helping build them and I love the idea and we've seen it even within our own internal agency we have here, but that same idea.

Speaker 2:     10:49           Don't be afraid to pay people, build people and help them grow and I think so many times people are trying to just get a quick five or job done or quick and I'm like, listen, if you're trying to build a company, you got to build a company and you've done such a great job as, as really building an amazing agency. So congratulations on that. Thank you. And actually my agency took a total turn in a funnel direction that I had no plan on when I signed up for clickfunnels certification. Seriously, this has changed. It has changed my life, it's changed how I, how I've looked at everything and it's pretty amazing. I appreciate that. You know, one of the things I know as I've spoken to a couple of your clients, sometimes you will actually take a piece you made mentioned just a few minutes ago that you're actually vested in their success. How do you set that up as an agency?

Speaker 2:     11:43           Two different ways. There's people up front that hire me for consulting and I've, you know, and I, and they me a monthly retainer for consulting and then they get, I offer them funnel services at wholesale or discounts, significant discount, but the, with that I get a percentage of the revenue after, you know, the percentage of revenue, percentage, revenue of adspend, however we work it out so that way it's fair. Uh, there are some projects that um, partners in, I mean literally we set up a company in LLC and I own stock in their company and they assigned stock over to me. Um, and there's projects that I get a retainer. So how it usually starts out is I want to make sure that I like working with someone because frankly, if I don't like someone I don't want, I mean life's too short. Got Seriously, it's way too short and I've experienced it too unfortunately in the past year with friends that aren't here any longer and it made me realize even more how important it is who you surround yourself with and who you work with.

Speaker 2:     12:52           So what I'd like to do is a few months, it's like a four month or so trial where they're paying the retainer and they're paying us to do the work and it's not an insignificant retainer. We're talking about 10 grand a month plus. So it's not insignificant, but they're paying me for my ideas. They're paying me to create a strategy and to mentor them. And during that we're going to build and we're going to launch something. We're going to see what it's like working together. If either any point in that time we don't like working with each other, there's no obligation. Then there's comes a point where we're launching and we're going to need to make a decision, do we want to still play together, and then if we do, here's the different ways that we can do it. So I mean that's one of the things that actually this idea came at funnel hacking live.

Speaker 2:     13:42           By the way, if you haven't been the funnel hacking live, you need to be there because I can promise you that I have had a business altering life changing breakthrough it every single funnel hacking live. So I don't think you. You may not recall me telling you. I think when I was at the mastermind one time, that was when I was invited there. I was telling you that Russell made a comment about someone paying him $100,000 plus a percentage of the revenue. I remember that. That was right there. That's when that became my model. So all I have to do is hear it. They need a contract. I don't have to. All I have is a seed and I'm like, well if he can do it, I can do it too. And by the way, the one funnel away concept is exactly that. If they can do it, there's no reason why you can't do it.

Speaker 2:     14:32           So all I to hear that Russell was doing it and that's my new model and that became my new model from that day on. I love it. Thank you so much for sharing that. Well, David, I can tell you we've got so many fun part for me to talk to you about this. We can go on for hours because I'm so excited and so passionate about what you're doing. A one of the things you're involved in right now is what we're launching here. Literally by the time this recording comes out, it's probably just actually going live, but this whole idea as far as 30 and what we ended up doing was really going out to massively successful people like yourself and said, listen, if you lost absolutely everything, all your money, all your contacts, everything except for your knowledge that you have and the click funnels account, what would you do in 30 days?

Speaker 2:     15:15           And you're one of our 30 who actually submitted a plan. Uh, I can't wait to you for you to actually get a copy of the book. It's literally 500 plus pages. It's huge. It's super, super cool. But if you don't mind, tell people just a little bit about, just a little quick section here. What would you end up doing? What would be some of the things that you would do if you lost everything? What would you start with? Well, here's an interesting thing thing, and I don't know if you know this, if you don't read my chapter yet. When I read that I got chills down my spine and I almost teared up. And here's why. Most, most people though, you'll know it now, lets people know that was me a decade ago. I literally, um, you know, I spent, I, I blew through over a million dollars.

Speaker 2:     16:01           I went upside down, um, and it came to that point that if I did not stop getting out of my, I'll, I'll say it, you know, early midlife crisis and just stop and really start a business on my own because I left the franchise company to, and I literally spent about a year and a half to two years to two and a half years learning and discovering. And it wasn't to that point that I said, um, if I don't do something by the end of this month, I don't know, I won't have anything. And literally it was that point that I built a six figure business and then the six figure business became a multiple in one month. Why? Because my back was against the wall. So although it was a decade ago, I had a really hard time playing with to tell. I couldn't tell someone to do something if I wouldn't do it. So I literally scrambled during that Fourth of July holiday in July.

Speaker 2:     16:59           And I pretended as if I didn't have anything and I said I don't have any contacts. And I literally walked in a place and I did. I went back to what I would do because me, I'm not going to build a funnel to sell things because what do I do? I'm an agency. I build things for other people. So my goto was literally go get a client, go do something and I and I created, which is a new business model that I believe will be a multi seven figure business model. I've got a few really cool niches where we are focused in on and I can now replicate and license this funnel to other places. But that came out of the book. I mean that came out as a school. So literally I had to put myself in the pressure and you know, as perturbation, I had to put that stress on to pretend as if. So we're on fourth of July and my family's on vacation and they're like, what are you doing? I'm writing this book. No, I'm building a new business.

Speaker 2:     18:00           And, and so it is, it's, it's a new business that it's been, it's been testing and it's proving itself out. I'm making sure that it's predictable, replicatable, duplicatable, etc. And then by the way, what hap came out of that is a business that could actually run without me. Oh, thAt's so awesome. That is amazing. Because I know most agencies don't work that way. Most agencies, you're the boss, you're the owner, you're the guy who's basically got your district strategist. So I am so excited to hear all about this later. That's super, super cool. That by the way, that's wHat came out of the box of guys. If you haven't read the book, that's just my story and I give you day by day, step by step, not what I would do, what I actually did while writing the story. Oh, that's so awesome. Dude. That is so cool.

Speaker 2:     18:49           Oh, can I get chills? Just that book is going to be one of my favorite books ever. We've got so many cool things behind it just because of people like yourself. We've got over 350 people have done over a million dollars in sales funnel, but it's not as cool as that is. You get, again, people like yourself who've done over 20 over $10,000,000 in a sales funnel. But for me, it's, it's the businesses and the lives of people that you've changed because of that. It's not just you as cool as you are. It's as I liquor is here. As I look around, I'm like, you've literally bless the lives of hundreds of people. I mean the people you employ now, the other businesses that now are thriving because of you and what you've done. and I just, I get so excited to see the ripple down effect of a success and I just, again, congratulations to all that you've done.

Speaker 2:     19:38           It's just been so neat for me to walk you over the last three years just to. I mean, you're just crushing it and I think it's. I appreciate that you were able to take your 4th of July vacation to contribute as much and to give back and you always get back to me anytime I asked, but you were so kind to do this for us and I think it'll be a huge thing for, for those people who really want to put your back up against the wall and make stuff happen. And cOngratulations again. Well, thank you and thanks for asking and by the way I almost didn't happen because it was sent to my old email and luckily I got a voxer and then we were able to get it done. So that's probably why I had that crash and burn last minute email. If I had known a month earlier, I would've had more time, but then again, I probably would've waited to the last minute, like most people do.

Speaker 2:     20:21           Absolutely. Well, as we get kind of close to wrapping things up here, anything else you want to make sure that any of our clickfunnels audience or any of our funnel hacker radio audiences wants to know or should know it. Just do it. I mean, there's no excuse. The only reason why you don't succeed is because you're getting your own way. Um, so many people say, well, I don't have money to do this, or like, I can't do this right now or have to do it my own way. That's usually after people have blown through. All of that is usually when I get the phone call and saying, I'm from your help. So if you have that dream, you know, put the right people in your corner. It doesn't have to be made, it doesn't have to be like company, they put people in your corner that they had been there, that can help you, that can mentor you and guide you and your you'll be well on your way and just take massive action, get out of your own head, take other people's advice and just connect with your audience and give more than you receive.

Speaker 2:     21:20           Just one thing I learned from my grandfather is just give value, give value, give value, give value, and I say that because I've talked a lot about my grandfather and this story and also the book that I'm writing right now and love it again. Thanks so much. I appreciate all. Appreciate your friendship a ton and just so always fun seeing you. And again, thank you so much for all that you give to our community. You're always given back and I appreciate it. Done. Awesome. Thanks dave. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3:     21:46           Bye. Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

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